9/11 Lawsuit

[daved150]

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im not an aeronautical engineer either.(i cant even spell that shit) but guys, i can find 2-3 therories..with seeminly fool proof evedence for just about any major disaster in history. face it man...it is what it is...different cultures are pissed at us for years...YEARS of policies we've had that they dont like. it didnt start with bush(not defending him) it didnt start with clinton...it's been going on for years. to us it was politics as usaul. to them it was "meddleing". we were sideing with what we thought at the time was our best intrest...they (extreamist) didnt like that!

[Merc]

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before you call people uneducated please look at the facts of what happened and just look at some of the sites and draw your own conclusion. If you are believing what the government said to be 100% true then why is so much info is being withheld from the public? Why is it discouraged when people want to do a formal investagation on 9/11. I dont believe all the theories that are out there but with the facts that are presented there is no way that some of the things the government said happened really did happen.

In college it is encouraged to look into facts and draw your own conclusion for you to take someone else word without looking into the facts that seems uneducated to me. My grandfater who is a retired VP of Boeing (aeronomical engineer department I believe, if you want I can find out) he agree that not everything adds up.

I am not trying to be disrespectful to anyone so if you think I am that was not intended just look at some of the physics behind what happened. A good site for this is physics911.org this site is for the most part facts! Or do your own research find out what temp airplane fuel burns and find out what temp steal burns. Just look at things with open eyes and if you still find the same conclusion then good, just dont take someone elses word for it!

[T-Man007]

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Why is it discouraged when people want to do a formal investagation on 9/11.

Or do your own research find out what temp airplane fuel burns and find out what temp steal burns.

A formal investigation was done and concluded already.

The twin towers were not designed to take a hit from a plane that big. When they were designed engineers couldn't even phathom the size of jets we have today. I forget the actual limits of the design but the buildings were only designed to take a direct hit from planes two sizes smaller than what hit them. Once the jet fuel caught fire, everything caught fire. It's only a matter of time before the fire gets so hot that it weakens the steel (key word being weaken). And, for the record, the steel didn't burn, it just got weaker, and that caused the above floors to drop. Which, if you watch the tapes, the upper floors droping is what actually brought down the towers.

And just to clear things up, steel doesn't burn, it melts. And since I don't remember hearing any reports about any melted steel, only broken steel, I think the whole thing about the temperature steel melts at is a mood point. And anything related to the temperature steel burns at is just silly since steel doesn't burn. You don't need a fire hot enough to melt steel to take down a building, just one hot enough to make the steel weaker. That's what the jet fuel did, it made a fire just hot enough to weaken the steel. There's nothing more to it. It's just plain old physics. These people who create these theories, like I said before, are playing on the uneducated side of Americans. If you know your physics and you know structural engineering (which I do) you know that this "theory" is without merit.

PLEASE don't take this as a personal criticism! I'm just clearing up the dirty water with some concrete facts about physics and engineering. That's all. I don't mean to direct that at anyone person but to spare all of you from falling into the pile of BS left behind by these people.

[Equalizer]

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I hope he gets nothing! How "exactly" is it the governments fault that some idiots hi-jacked those planes? Well, besides dumb asses like Kerry who want to cut CIA, NAS and FBI funding, how was it their fault? The govenrment can only do what they are informed to do.

Do you really think they let all those people die on purose? If so, that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard in my life. The reason why it's so dumb is because those investigative guys are blood hounds with egos the size of the world. No phukin way in hell would they pass up an opportunity to bust an attempt to attack our country, no phukin way. The glory and recognition for stopping it would be way too big for anyone to pass up.

Anyone who thinks people in government intellegence would intentionally let a crime of that magnitude be carried out instead of taking the opportunity to stop it has no common sense, nor do they know anything about those agencies. I have an uncle in the CIA and a very good friend in the FBI and if they knew, trust me, they would have done something.

"They who would give up a liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security" - BEN FRANKLIN

WOW I GUESS THIS GUY WAS A DUMB ASS TOO ^^

TOO EASY TO BLAME THE GOVT? ARE U SERIOUS? MORE LIKE TOO EASY TO BLAME SOME FUCKING TOWEL HEAD, DONT FORGET WHO TRAINED THESE MUTHERFUCKERS AND WHO ARE PROVEN CIA ASSETS.

Ill be damned all those good tips on bagging chicks and you went and blew it with this horse shit........BRO I USUALLY AGREE WITH YOUR ADVICE AND HAVE PICKED UP A FEW THINGS YOU HAVE POSTED BUT DAMN I CANT AGREE WITH THAT.....BUSH THREATENED FBI AGENTS WITH ARREST IF THEY PURSUED AL QUEDA OPERATIVES IN THE US IN THE MONTHS LEADING INTO THIS, HE EVEN MADE INTO AN ACT SO ITS NOT CONSPIRACY ITS FACT.....WHY WERE THERE COUNTLESS NUMBERS OF NY FIREFIGHTERS POLICE OFFICERS AND OTHER EMERGENCY CREWS REPORTING DETONATIONS GOING OFF BEFORE THE BUILDING FELL? DO YOU REALIZE THAT THOSE BUILDINGS WOULD HAVE HAD TO BURN FOR WEEKS FOR THAT TYPE OF STEEL TO GIVE IN LIKE IT DID AND TO FALL LIKE THAT DUE TO TEMPERATURE EVEN WITH THE HORSE SHIT JET FUEL THEORY THEY COOKED UP. THE WORLDS LEADING ARCHITECHS HAVE CAME OUT AGAINST IT INCLUDING PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY DESIGNED IT. It is hard to believe I will admit but there comes a point to where there is SO MUCH fact that it cant be ignored....that uneducated stuff you through out there actually pisses me off....You honestly believe this shit they feed you about nick berg, pat tillman? they are sooooo many problems with the nick berg beheading that i would be here all night posting them.

TMAN honestly bro you did piss me off with some of your "uneducated" comments, i mean im a bio major in my junior year and plan to attend a very reputable school after getting my undergrad and go into pharmacology and I didnt get the grades I have and luxury of enrolling in a school that takes 80 students a year for their program that about 500+ that apply for (3.2 and refs from bio,chem,math professors JUST to be eligible to apply) so not checking the facts before i speak ISNT THE CASE. Not trying to start shit with you but I know u are a smart guy but that doesnt mean you are always right either. Bro i wish i didnt believe this shit myself i really do BUT WHEN YOU SIT DOWN TAKE BOTH VIEWS AND COMPARE FACTS THERE REALLY IS NOTHING TO COMPARE, THERE IS SUCH A COVER UP IT IS SICKENING. I PROMISE YOU THERE ISNT A PERSON ON THIS SITE THAT BELIEVES IN DEMOCRACY AND THE VALUES OF OUR FOUNDING FATHERS MORE THAN ME. TODAYS MEDIA IS SICKENING

NO MATTER HOW MUCH "THEY" TRY OR WHO "THEY" ACTUALLY IS THIS COUNTRY WILL NOT FALL UNLESS WE ARE SOLD OUT BY OUR OWN AND PEOPLE JUST ROLL OVER AND LET THE GOVT KEEP TAKING AND TAKING WHILE BEING TOLD YOU ARENT A PATRIOT IF YOU DONT OBEY. FUCK THAT IM A BIGGER PATRIOT THAN ANY ONE OF THOSE HIPOCRITS ON CAPITAL HILL AND I WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO PROVE IT BUT I DONT HAVE A NATIONAL FORUMN TO FEED BULLSHIT THROUGH.

THE ONLY UNEDUCATED COMMENTS I SEE IN THIS POST ARE THOSE THAT BASH ONES VIEWS WITHOUT LOOKING AT THE FACTS FIRST..,...KEYWORD HERE

FACTS NOT WHAT CNN,FOX,NBC TOLD YOU OR WHAT SOME HIPOCRIT WITH HIS OWN WALLET IN MIND HAVE TOLD YOU.

[Equalizer]

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A formal investigation was done and concluded already.

The twin towers were not designed to take a hit from a plane that big. When they were designed engineers couldn't even phathom the size of jets we have today. I forget the actual limits of the design but the buildings were only designed to take a direct hit from planes two sizes smaller than what hit them. Once the jet fuel caught fire, everything caught fire. It's only a matter of time before the fire gets so hot that it weakens the steel (key word being weaken). And, for the record, the steel didn't burn, it just got weaker, and that caused the above floors to drop. Which, if you watch the tapes, the upper floors droping is what actually brought down the towers.

And just to clear things up, steel doesn't burn, it melts. And since I don't remember hearing any reports about any melted steel, only broken steel, I think the whole thing about the temperature steel melts at is a mood point. And anything related to the temperature steel burns at is just silly since steel doesn't burn. You don't need a fire hot enough to melt steel to take down a building, just one hot enough to make the steel weaker. That's what the jet fuel did, it made a fire just hot enough to weaken the steel. There's nothing more to it. It's just plain old physics. These people who create these theories, like I said before, are playing on the uneducated side of Americans. If you know your physics and you know structural engineering (which I do) you know that this "theory" is without merit.

PLEASE don't take this as a personal criticism! I'm just clearing up the dirty water with some concrete facts about physics and engineering. That's all. I don't mean to direct that at anyone person but to spare all of you from falling into the pile of BS left behind by these people.

YEA AND WHO THE FUCK DID THAT INVESTIGATION YOU ARE REFERRING TO?

GUESS WHO, THE SAME FUCKING PEOPLE WHO ARE COVERING IT UP.

TMAN BRO I WILL GLADLY SEND YOU SOME INFO YOU CAN LOOK OVER AND VERIFY IF YOU REALLY WANNA KNOW THE TRUTH.

HONESTLY I HOPE YOU ARE RIGHT AND IM JUST ON SOME KICK FOR "CONSPIRACY" THEORIES BUT THE ONLY PROBLEM IS THERE IS TOO MUCH FACT......BTW I CAN GIVE A VIDEO CLIP OF THE GUY WHO HELPED DESIGN THE WORLD TRADE CENTER SAYING IT WAS DESIGNED TO TAKE A HIT FROM A COMMERCIAL AIRLINER AND SAYING HOW IT WAS IMPOSSIBLE FOR THE BUILDING TOO FALL AS SOON AS IT DID. NOW HE DID SAY IT COULD HAPPEN BUT IT WOULDVE TAKEN WEEKS FOR THE METAL TO REACH THAT TEMP TO GIVE LIKE THAT AND THAT IS FROM THE DUDE WHO HELPED DESIGN IT BUT YOU WONT SEE THAT ON CNN. JUST BECAUSE ITS NOT ON SOME NATIONAL NEWS SHOW DOESNT MEAN IT ISNT TRUE FOR CHRIST SAKE. IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING BETTER THAN A VIDEO CLIP OF THE GUY WHO DESIGNED IT BEING INTERVIEWED BY A BRITISH REPORTER SAYING IT WAS IMPOSSIBLE I WOULD GLADLY SHUT UP RIGHT NOW.

[Equalizer]

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yes many cultures do disagree with us but do u really think they are gonna attack us on our home land KNOWING DAMN WELL we will fuck their entire worlds up. COME ON GUYS THE ONLY ONES BEING GULLIBLE HERE ARE PEOPLE WHO TAKE WHAT THE MEDIA TELLS THEM TO HEART.

[Equalizer]

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OH AND BTW DID YOU GUYS KNOW THAT THEY DECLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS ABOUT 1-2 MONTHS AGO THAT ROOSEVELT KNEW ABOUT JAPANS ATTACK ON PEARL HARBOR A WEEK IN ADVANCE BUT DID NOTHING BECAUSE HE NEEDED IT AS A PRETEXT TO WAR. THAT ISNT CONSPIRACY GUYS THAT HAS EVEN MADE IT TO NATIONAL NEWS AND HISTORY CHANNEL IN THE LAST 3-4 WEEKS SO DONT EVEN SAY THIS IS A CONSPIRACY. ITS FUCKING FACT THEY HAVE GOVT DOCUMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN DECLASSIFIED MUCH LIKE THESE WILL BE IN 60 YEARS WHEN EVERYBODY THAT IT REALLY HIT HOME TOO ARENT AROUND ANYMORE. HISTORY REPEATS ITSELF

[T-Man007]

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Didn't mean to piss you off so bad there bro! Look we don't agree here, no problem with me. I respect and love your patriotism. There needs to be more like you. I, for the record, don't trust those guys on capital hill either.

I just can't believe for one second that there is any proof that Bush told the intelligence commetties to ignore a "for sure" terrorist attack. That's all I'm saying. If Bush had full working knowledge that an actual attack on the wtc buildings and the pentagon were taking place I seriously doubt he would have let it happen. Did you see his face when he heard? He was so damned shocked and pissed. Lets face it, the guy can't bullshit very well, he fumbles over his words all the time. There is no way, in my opinion, he could have known "exactly" what was happening and did nothing. That's all I'm saying. I never said he didn't redirect his resources, I said there is no way they would have intentionally let this happen with full knowledge, and play it off so convincingly.

[T-Man007]

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yes many cultures do disagree with us but do u really think they are gonna attack us on our home land KNOWING DAMN WELL we will fuck their entire worlds up. COME ON GUYS THE ONLY ONES BEING GULLIBLE HERE ARE PEOPLE WHO TAKE WHAT THE MEDIA TELLS THEM TO HEART.

Yes I do believe it, did you not see the tape of Bin Laden admitting he was involved. Do you not remember the actual phone calls from passengers to their loved ones describing the terroists? Japan was dumb enough to do it, why not the Muslims? Maybe you've never read the Quran, I have, and it reads very clearly that they hate both Jews and Christians and it also reads very clearly that any Muslim who dies while killing an infadel (Jew or Christian) will go directly to heaven. This is what they believe, and I have read it with my own two eyes. So yes, I do believe these sick phuk-os would do exactly what they did. They don't give a crap about what happens to them.

Ask Big Mike what happened to his cousin? Muslims cut his throat just for being a Christian. They hate what we stand for and they hate us. They being the extremists, I do realize that not all Muslims are like this.

[Equalizer]

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Yes tman we can agree to disagree but bro listen to me here on just one thing and think about really....

I voted for bush in 2000 and 2004 even after knowing what i know, problem is all we get to choose from are 2 evils and we have to pick the one who will fuck us the least.

Now even though his title is president he is just a figure head for the real POWER. When real power wants something done it gets done no matter how messy. Im not saying george bush is responsible but he did neglect his duties to the USA.

AND FOR THE RECORD HE KEPT READING A BOOK FOR 20 FUCKING MINUTES OR MORE ABOUT SOME GODDAMN ANIMAL .....WHAT A PERFECT ALIBI WITH CAMERAS ROLLING HE IS READING A BOOK TO LITTLE KIDS WHILE THE GREATEST SLAP IN THE FACE TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AND TO HUMAN KIND TRANSPIRES.

NORAD WAS TOLD IT WAS A CIA EXERCISE THAT IS WHY THEY WERENT SCRAMBLED AND SHOT DOWN.

BRO CAN I PLEASE SEND YOU SOME INFO AND YOU HONESTLY LOOK OVER IT AND THEN COME BACK AND TELL ME IM CRAZY, AT LEAST THAN I CAN ACCEPT IT BECAUSE YOU WILL HAVE AT LEAST LOOKED AT ANOTHER POSSIBLE VIEW. I USED TO SAY THE SAME THING YOU ARE NOW TO PEOPLE UNTIL I ACTUALLY EDUCATED MYSELF AND UNFORTUNATELY THAT IS THE ONLY WAY U WILL LEARN ABOUT ALOT OF THE TRUTHS OF THIS WORLD BECAUSE YOU CAN NOT RELY ON A "UNBIASED" MEDIA.

[Equalizer]

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NO NO BRO U MISUNDERSTOOD YES THERE WERE ACTUAL ARABS DOING THE DIRTY WORK AND YES BIN LADEN WAS MAKING TAPES BUT WHO DO U THINK ORCHESTRATED IT ALL

[T-Man007]

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OH AND BTW DID YOU GUYS KNOW THAT THEY DECLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS ABOUT 1-2 MONTHS AGO THAT ROOSEVELT KNEW ABOUT JAPANS ATTACK ON PEARL HARBOR A WEEK IN ADVANCE BUT DID NOTHING BECAUSE HE NEEDED IT AS A PRETEXT TO WAR. THAT ISNT CONSPIRACY GUYS THAT HAS EVEN MADE IT TO NATIONAL NEWS AND HISTORY CHANNEL IN THE LAST 3-4 WEEKS SO DONT EVEN SAY THIS IS A CONSPIRACY. ITS FUCKING FACT THEY HAVE GOVT DOCUMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN DECLASSIFIED MUCH LIKE THESE WILL BE IN 60 YEARS WHEN EVERYBODY THAT IT REALLY HIT HOME TOO ARENT AROUND ANYMORE. HISTORY REPEATS ITSELF

I'm not saying the government doesn't cover stuff up, but you can't really believe that during a world war Roosevelt would willingly let his entire Pacific Fleet be destroyed do you? Now, had 75% of the fleet been moved right before, that would have been another story. However, I know this story is bullshit because my Grandfather was in the war and had a very good friend who was a pilot for Japan. His friend told him that no one, not even the Japaneze pilots, knew the exact day of the attack until the day of. There is no phukin way Roosevelt knew before the pilots who flew the mission, no way. You can believe what you want, but I'm going to take the word of my grandfather who was alive then and heard directly from a friend who was directly involed in the Japaneze military.

You see, I don't get my info from the media, I get it from people who have first hand knowledge and no reason to lie to me. I have learned more from my elders than I ever have any book or bias news anchor.

[Equalizer]

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U CANT BELIEVE SOME LITTLE CAVEMAN PULLED OF THE GREATEST ACT OF WAR AND COWARDNESS IN THE HISTORY OF THIS COUNTRY. IT WAS MY GENERATIONS PEARL HARBOR TO RALLY AND DEFEAT NOT FOR THE AVERAGE US CITIZENS GOOD BUT FOR BIG BUSINESS....PERIOD.

[T-Man007]

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NO NO BRO U MISUNDERSTOOD YES THERE WERE ACTUAL ARABS DOING THE DIRTY WORK AND YES BIN LADEN WAS MAKING TAPES BUT WHO DO U THINK ORCHESTRATED IT ALL

I honestly think the Muslims orchestrated it all.

[Equalizer]

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I'm not saying the government doesn't cover stuff up, but you can't really believe that during a world war Roosevelt would willingly let his entire Pacific Fleet be destroyed do you? Now, had 75% of the fleet been moved right before, that would have been another story. However, I know this story is bullshit because my Grandfather was in the war and had a very good friend who was a pilot for Japan. His friend told him that no one, not even the Japaneze pilots, knew the exact day of the attack until the day of. There is no phukin way Roosevelt knew before the pilots who flew the mission, no way. You can believe what you want, but I'm going to take the word of my grandfather who was alive then and heard directly from a friend who was directly involed in the Japaneze military.

You see, I don't get my info from the media, I get it from people who have first hand knowledge and no reason to lie to me. I have learned more from my elders than I ever have any book or bias news anchor.

bro im from a very deeply rooted military family.....what i said wasnt conspiracty dude it is FACT, WHY DONT U UNDERSTAND THAT, NOT OPINION BUT ACTUAL HARD PROOF.....DUDE I DONT WANNA BELIEVE THIS SHIT ANYMORE THAN YOU DO TRUST ME BUT I DONT GO ON WHAT SOMEONE TELLS ME I GO ON FACT.