Speration of Church and state

[roark]

Re: Speration of Church and state

They just can't start a state run or back a religion, but they are free to express thier personal religion where every they please.
JohnnyB

The US court system tends to disagree with you.

[daved150]

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sorry johnny, i still dont believe if they are chritian that they should, or for that matter even, do vote with there religious beliefs. i dont believe you, or any other person i know, follows even there beliefs day to day..let alone polititians. never compromising, never waver...stop. no-way. compairing a gay rep. with a chritian rep is a stretch too i believe. and i do believe you can build your charector seperate from your beliefs. i have chritian friends. two couples witch are good friends of mine and my wifes. both holding the same values both agreeing with eachothers point of views. one, very successful buisness owner, very strong willed, very hard lined. the other couple, chritian rock band. beliefs the same, charector very diff.

[JohnnyB]

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i didn't say only in a bar, if its in a more personal place or personal situation then fine. but i would never approach a woman in public solely for the purpose of tryin to pick her up. and unless it was a extreme situation i wouldn't even ask her out in our first conversation. if i don't have a chance to see her on more than one occasion then hey she is not for me and i'll move on.

and again i didn't say u should only express your religion in church, but it should only be in situations where the religion is the topic, discussion or debate. i don't think you should be expressing yourself for the purpose of letting other people know your religion. and i'm not understanding exactly what your intent is with the hypocrite comment, i don't see how that pertains to our conversation unless you are assuming that about me.

I'm saying if you are not being who you are you are putting an other face, that's what hypocrite means and I wasn't calling you one. What I was saying is you want people to become one by not being who they are.

So it's only okay when it's being discussed, what if the people that brought it up is from a religion? Or is it only when you bring it up or a friend, do you hear what you're saying. In one breath it never okay outside a religious situation, then in the next it's okay if someone that's not religious talks about it or what ever you're trying to say.

Basically it boils down to when you think it's right, but it's not okay for them to exercise their freedom guaranteed in the Constitution. If you don't like what's being said walk away, it's our right not to listen. Now if they're going to chase you down the street yelling at you they are wrong.

People push their views on us all day long, watch TV, it's being done on every program and commercials. your boss pushs his/her view of how it should be done and you can choose to stay there or quit.

JohnnyB

[JohnnyB]

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The US court system tends to disagree with you.

But the Constitution doesn't.

JohnnyB

[roark]

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But the Constitution doesn't.

JohnnyB

The constitution too. Even scalia, the supreme court justice who insists on construing the constitution most strictly would disagree with you.

[daved150]

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so johnny, what branch of the government are you in anyway's..

[JohnnyB]

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sorry johnny, i still dont believe if they are chritian that they should, or for that matter even, do vote with there religious beliefs. i dont believe you, or any other person i know, follows even there beliefs day to day..let alone polititians. never compromising, never waver...stop. no-way. compairing a gay rep. with a chritian rep is a stretch too i believe. and i do believe you can build your charector seperate from your beliefs. i have chritian friends. two couples witch are good friends of mine and my wifes. both holding the same values both agreeing with eachothers point of views. one, very successful buisness owner, very strong willed, very hard lined. the other couple, chritian rock band. beliefs the same, charector very diff.

What does a rock band and a business owner have to do with character? Are you say what you do for employment determines your character? If it is you don't understand what character is and that's why we can't agree.

Character from http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=character

1. The combination of qualities or features that distinguishes one person, group, or thing from another. See Synonyms at disposition.
2. A distinguishing feature or attribute, as of an individual, group, or category. See Synonyms at quality.
3. Genetics. A structure, function, or attribute determined by a gene or group of genes.
4. Moral or ethical strength.
5. A description of a person's attributes, traits, or abilities.

Are character is how people determine who we are, it doesn't determine what our employment will be, that would be stereotyping.

JohnnyB

[JohnnyB]

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The constitution too. Even scalia, the supreme court justice who insists on construing the constitution most strictly would disagree with you.

You've talked to him about this?

JohnnyB

[roark]

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You've talked to him about this?

JohnnyB

I've read enough of his opinions, interviews, and law review articles to figure it out.

[JohnnyB]

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so johnny, what branch of the government are you in anyway's..

LOL good one Bro, but I am not associated with any branch of the government.

JohnnyB

[roark]

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LOL good one Bro, but I am not associated with any branch of the government.

JohnnyB

Thats what I thought too.

[JohnnyB]

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I've read enough of his opinions, interviews, and law review articles to figure it out.

Good to know, but what makes you think that what I believe has anything to do with him?

JohnnyB

[roark]

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If you can show me otherwise, I will definitely check it out. Oddly enough though, I do agree with you on a lot of things.

[edvedr]

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I'm saying if you are not being who you are you are putting an other face, that's what hypocrite means and I wasn't calling you one. What I was saying is you want people to become one by not being who they are.

So it's only okay when it's being discussed, what if the people that brought it up is from a religion? Or is it only when you bring it up or a friend, do you hear what you're saying. In one breath it never okay outside a religious situation, then in the next it's okay if someone that's not religious talks about it or what ever you're trying to say.

Basically it boils down to when you think it's right, but it's not okay for them to exercise their freedom guaranteed in the Constitution. If you don't like what's being said walk away, it's our right not to listen. Now if they're going to chase you down the street yelling at you they are wrong.

People push their views on us all day long, watch TV, it's being done on every program and commercials. your boss pushs his/her view of how it should be done and you can choose to stay there or quit.

JohnnyB

religion is not a huge part of me like it is for you are others. so expressing myself and being myself isn't expressing my religion. i keep it more personal for a couple of reasons. and looking at it in your shoes i see what you mean about not being yourself, wasn't grasping that at first cause its not a big part of me.

also i want to say when i say expressing your religion i'm refering to when someone expects or wants someone to take on the same way of thinking. not just saying hey this is my belief. maybe i shouldn't use the word expressing. your right we can walk away, turn the channel, quit the job or whatever. but when the government is trying to govern people of all different backgrounds, religions etc... i don't think the government should look like its backing any religion. i think it should be taken out of the equation completely.

[JohnnyB]

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I have to go but I'll be back later, thanks for all the commentary, I love have these types of discussions.

JohnnyB