Micheal Moors movie? seen it

[Ryker77]

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The Carlyle Group is reportedly one of the world's largest private equity firms, with more than $16 billion under management. It invests in government-regulated industries like telecommunications, health care, and defense. As of 2003, with all its holdings, Carlyle was the equivalent of the 11th largest defense contractor in the nation. The Bush and bin Laden families were both connected to the Carlyle Group, beginning in the mid-1990s. The investment group is known to handle a significant amount of Saudi wealth. As Michael Moore said in the film, "September 11 guaranteed that United Defense (owned by Carlyle) was going to have a very good year."

How do you feel about the fact that multinational conglomerates like the Carlyle Group make money off of the U.S. going to war? Is it a serious conflict of interest to be dealt with or simply inevitable in a capitalist society?

[Ryker77]

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The Houston-based Halliburton Corporation has landed monstrous government contracts totaling billions of dollars during the ongoing Iraq war. Some argue the increasing trend by the government to delegate logistical operations to a single for-profit corporation ends up costing taxpayers more money rather than less. This practice dates back to the aftermath of the Persian Gulf War, when Brown and Root -- of which Halliburton is the parent company -- landed a contract. Cutbacks in military spending and a string of wars supposedly limit government resources, requiring "military outsourcing" to private companies like Halliburton. From 1995 to 2000, Dick Cheney served as Halliburton's chief executive, until he resigned to run for vice president. It was reported that Cheney sold most of his shares when he departed, but retained stock options worth roughly $8 million.

Why have some people expressed concern over the fact that Cheney was once a CEO for Halliburton, now the biggest single government contractor in Iraq? What do you think about the practice of hiring private companies to implement the U.S. government's support operations? How does the government justify the startling pay discrepancy between private workers and military personnel? How do you feel about private corporations profiting from the destruction of war?

[Ryker77]

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Saudi officials have been criticized for failing to cooperate with investigations into the 9/11 attacks, and were reluctant to freeze hijackers' assets. According to the Philadelphia Inquirer, "One top U.S. official told the joint inquiry staff that the Saudis since 1996 would not cooperate on matters relating to Osama bin Laden. Robert Baer, a former CIA officer, said the Saudis blocked FBI agents from talking to relatives of the 15 hijackers and following other leads in the kingdom." Just two nights after the 9/11 attacks, Saudi ambassador Prince Bandar, affectionately known by the Bush family as "Bandar Bush," had dinner with Bush at the White House.

Based on the alleged actions of the Saudi Kingdom, why aren't relations between the Saudi royals and the Bush administration more strained? Is the Bush administration afraid of offending the Saudis or is he simply feeling the need to keep diplomatic relations positive?

[Ryker77]

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"W" STANDS FOR WEALTH

In the film, Bush is seen giving a speech at a gathering of people he called "the haves and the have mores." During his speech, he jokes, "Some people call you the elite. I call you my base."

What did Bush mean by that comment? Why do so many wealthy Americans support George Bush?




This and this alone is reason enough for me to never vote for a Bush. I guess I am a have not. But Bush will have not my vote

[kite]

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Are you Moore's pr agent?

[edvedr]

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ryker i did not completely read everything you posted about the movie. you said if 1/4 of it true then its a wake up call to bush voters. nothing micheal moore says will ever be a wake up call for me. he has no creditablity. i will listen to just about anyone who does not like bush. i have my problems with bush myself. but micheal moore takes his opinions and personal agendas and trys to push them on america as if they are facts. even if there is a base of truth in there, why would you listen to someone who purposely stretches the truth, badly. just like you said the media does not say much about his movie or what he says. and the reason is because he is nothing more than a fat film maker who thinks he is more important than he is. he means nothing, and so does his opinions!

[Ryker77]

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ryker i did not completely read everything you posted about the movie. ..... he has no creditablity. ...micheal moore takes his opinions and personal agendas and trys to push them on america as if they are facts. even if there is a base of truth in there, why would you listen to someone who purposely stretches the truth, badly. just like you said the media does not say much about his movie or what he says. and the reason is because he is nothing more than a fat film maker who thinks he is more important than he is. he means nothing, and so does his opinions!

Ed, The movie is not really about his "opinions" it simply links the facts and puts them in away that you'll understand them.

I posted some of the topics of the movie. If you would just pick one of them and read it. You might see somethings about the Bush Family that you don't like.

Read my last post on Bush. W himself says that the "have nots" are his "base". Moore didn't say that Bush said it.

[Ryker77]

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Are you Moore's pr agent?

No actually I hate what he did to Heston. I also don't like him because he is a democrat. But he does fight and stand up for the little guy. His 9/11 movie is twisted, yes I pointed one case out. But the facts are just that - facts. I posted alot of the facts in the thread. Most people just puke up what the media has told them about the movie/moore without even watching the movie. Or researching the facts.

[kite]

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I'm not basing my opinions of moore on the media. I watched Bowling for Columbine and like you said, his ambush of Heston was just plain low. I had other issues with that "documentary" such as inaccuracies, half truths and outright lies. I doubt that this movie is any different. I have no doubts that the parts you cited are half truths at best and as for the footage shown, you'd be amazed at what can be accomplished through editing. I'm not a Bush apologist, he's far from perfect but I think he's the best we've got. The truth is, if we had as much info out there on all of our politicians, true or not, as we do on Bush then most would stop voting all together.

[edvedr]

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Ed, The movie is not really about his "opinions" it simply links the facts and puts them in away that you'll understand them.

I posted some of the topics of the movie. If you would just pick one of them and read it. You might see somethings about the Bush Family that you don't like.

Read my last post on Bush. W himself says that the "have nots" are his "base". Moore didn't say that Bush said it.

i feel he does not simply link the facts. i think he is a master editor that links things together to persuade you to his side. and with out looking at your posts i already have problems with the bush family, but i will not gather any facts from michael moore. plus i knew of his ties to the bin ladens and and the saudis. but seeing how far the ties go back, and the fact that osama was asked to leave the family and the country years ago makes it not hold as much water in my eyes.

as for bush saying the elite were his base, i don't think that shows def signs of corruption or favoring them cause of friendships (if that what you were insinuating (sp)) i think the "base" are just that. they are the base of job creations and bettering the economy. if they get breaks it trickles down the system.

[Ryker77]

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Kite, I agree with you. Moore hurt his image with the Columbine story. I never watched that movie. But while researching the 911 movie I read about how he lied on his previous movies. I can't blame people for not liking the guy..

Yes he is a master editor. Just like the Bush and Kerry campaign. They all twist and spin the truth. Thats why I am voting for nader.

[kite]

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Not slamming your decision or anything, but isn't that throwing away your vote? I say that because he has no chance at all of winning. Are you just voting that way to make a point?

[Ryker77]

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as for bush saying the elite were his base, i don't think that shows def signs of corruption or favoring them cause of friendships (if that what you were insinuating (sp)) i think the "base" are just that. they are the base of job creations and bettering the economy. if they get breaks it trickles down the system.

it sure is a trickle

http://www.commondreams.org/news2004/0414-10.htm

CEO Pay/Worker Pay Ratio Reaches 301-to-1
Average Worker Takes Home $517 a Week; Average CEO $155,769 a Week
According to Business Week's 54th Annual Executive Compensation Survey, published this week, the average large company CEO received compensation totaling $8.1 million in 2003, up 9.1% from the previous year. Business Week's survey covers the 365 largest companies that have reported their executive pay to date.

From 1990 to 2003:
CEO pay rose 313%
The S&P 500 rose 242%
Corporate profits rose 128%
Average worker pay rose 49%
Inflation rose 41%

The average production worker fared less well in 2003. Their annual pay was $26,899 in 2003, up just 2.1% from 2002 according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. The average worker took home $517 in their weekly paycheck in 2003; the average large company CEO took home $155,769 in their weekly pay.

If the minimum wage had increased as quickly as CEO pay since 1990, it would today be $15.71 per hour, more than three times the current minimum wage of $5.15 an hour.

[Ryker77]

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Bank of America, for example, cut nearly 5,000 US jobs while outsourcing up to 1,100 jobs to India in 2003. In July 2004, the firm announced that it planned to cut another 12,500 U.S. jobs in the next two years. Meanwhile, CEO Kenneth Lewis received $37.9 million in compensation in 2003, nearly 110 percent more than in 2002. Bank of America’s PAC has made $576,319 in contributions in the 2003-2004 election cycle.

http://www.faireconomy.org/press/2004/EE2004_pr.html

Political contributions also appear to pay off. CEOs of the 69 companies that sponsored this summer’s Democratic and Republican National Conventions saw their pay jump 52 percent in 2003, far outpacing the 9 percent raise for the average large company CEO. Similarly, the 38 CEOs who have personally raised at least $100,000 for either the Bush or Kerry presidential campaigns earned an average of $15.2 million in 2003, 88 percent more than the average large company CEO.

One sign of the political clout of corporate leaders is the current effort in Congress to block new rules that would require corporations to report all stock option grants as expenses in their financial statements. Current accounting rules have encouraged lavish options grants to executives. The report calculates that corporations have claimed an estimated $3.9 billion in tax deductions related to stock options exercised by 350 leading CEOs since 1997.


Nader is the only canadite that is fighting for the american working class.

[T-Man007]

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NEVER WILL I SEE A MICHEAL MOORS MOVIE

Ditto.