87 Billion MORE?!?!

[3Vandoo]

Originally posted by flexer01
then why are his people still setting off bombs and performing suicide acts against american troops?

Not his people, this are the hardcore troops are the rest of Sodamnisane faithfull, they dont know when to quit, its an Arabic mentality.

Also, the milita formed with mujahideen from other countries are not associated with Saddam like the fuckers in Bosnia and Chechenya, no there for the cause or anything but their own goal and they use the conflict there to set a foot around.

[PumpingBricks70]

The more I think about it...

Bah! The more I think about it, the angrier I get! Bush should have asked for 87 TRILLION!! LOL! This way we could drop a million nukes on that area of the planet, and turn that land into a fucking ocean!! :2gunsfiri

Aaahhhhh. I feel better now.

Kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out! Or maybe allah in their case.........:p

[Striated]

Hyperbole aside, this is what I believe:

1. 9/11 attacks had little, perhaps nothing, to do with Iraq or Saddam.

2. Iraq doesn't have any WMD, if they did, the US would "feel" justified.

3. Most weapons found in Iraq were actually from the Iran/Iraq war and were furnished by none other than the USA. (Ref: CNN live footage)

4. US involvement with Israel fosters anti-US sentiment in the Arab world. (Speculation on my part, tsk, tsk)

5. The original bombing or Iraq over Kuwait was also founded on propaganda, delivered by none other than the niece of the Ambassador of Kuwait. (Ref: The Second Front)

6. The US tried and failed to kill Osama bin Laden 6 years ago (with a cruise missile). They knew all about this idiot and were still unprepared to deal with his sick machinations. (Ref: The Lexus and the Olive Tree)

7. I really don't think the US needs to legitimize its actions with regards to foreign policy any longer. 'Might makes right' in this New World Order. Get used to it. Perhaps an assassination would have been more fitting, but how do you get to Saddam? And would the US feel 'better' if that was the only extent of it?

8. The principle problem with the current state of affairs is that a terrorist attack is not unilateral, meaning that it's not one soveriegn country picking a fight with another. It is an assortment of terrorist cells which will instill fear and CONFUSION in the minds of the Western world's people. The US NEEDED to blow something up. It was a therapeutic manuever designed to ease the minds of the American people. I don't know if it was at all successful, but what was the alternative? The US does not have the proper military intelligence to fetter out all of the terrorist cells and individuals and bring them to justice. Hopefully, their VERY crude attempt to punish nations that POSSIBLY harbour terrorists will have a positive effect (who the heck knows?).

9. If my memory serves me correctly, Bin Laden is peaved at the US (the military) for the way they treated a religious burial site years ago, and generally dispises the Western lifestyle.

10. I agree that the US must react to 9/11... this is a given. What were they supposed to do? Makes me wonder if they rolled a die to decide what country should get pounded, because there's a pretty good list of possibilities:

Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Palestine (debatable), Afghanistan.

11. My instinct tells me that Iraq was chosen by Bush in an attempt to redeem Bush Senior's failure.

12. There's only one thing more horrifying than bombs dropping in order to affect a change: Extreme Liberals crying for peace and filling each others minds with half truths and chop logic, all the while bonding and adorning respect and love for their own unsophisticated egos. The classic "I'm okay, you're okay" phenomenon.

That's my 2 cents. I hope I haven't offended anyone by my comments. Most of this foreign policy talk is speculation and I'm not privy to any exceptional information. It's times like these when you realize that life isn't black and white, it's shades of grays, and that's my attitude towards pretty much everything. Your friend today is your foe tomorrow and the enemy you know is better than the enemy you don't know.


By the way, I mostly agree with that 3vandoo guy (seems to know his stuff) and I also agree with Got Gear? (seems pretty level-headed).

[Got Gear?]

Good post Striated! I like how you gave referances to the information you had.

And I agree with just about every one of your points. Very well thought out!

[addict]

War is a weird situation

its sad that things happen like this

the thing is there is a hundred iraq people helping rebuild the country, to every 1 iraq person destroying it.

but the reporters dont care about the good ,only the bad so we dont here about the all the great work being dont over there

"The world hasnt got worse the news coverage has got better "

[PumpingBricks70]

Originally posted by addict

the reporters dont care about the good ,only the bad so we dont here about the all the great work being dont over there

"The world hasnt got worse the news coverage has got better "

You're right man. We get biased media coverage! Especially if you're watching some dumbass network like CNN a.k.a. the "Communist News Network"........:p We oughta strap all the liberal journalists to the thousands of nukes we should be dropping on those bastards! Oh yeah, and 'Fatrat' is about due to be assassinated! :2gunsfiri

[3Vandoo]

1. 9/11 attacks had little, perhaps nothing, to do with Iraq or Saddam.


THERE NO LINKS BETWEEN SADDAM AND 9/11, NO LINKS TO AL-Q AND SADDAM, THIS IS PURE FICTION, SADDAM FOUGHT THE AL-Q NETWORK FOR YEARS.

2. Iraq doesn't have any WMD, if they did, the US would "feel" justified.

THEY DO, IN MINIMAL AMOUNT, A TEXAN MILITIA HAS PROBABLY MORE!

3. Most weapons found in Iraq were actually from the Iran/Iraq war and were furnished by none other than the USA. (Ref: CNN live footage)

AMEN TO THAT


4. US involvement with Israel fosters anti-US sentiment in the Arab world. (Speculation on my part, tsk, tsk)

NO ISRAEL, THEY SELL US SECRET WEAPONS AND HIGH TECH WEAPON TO CHINA, KILLED AMERICAN AND KNEW ABOUT 9/11 BEFORE THE ATTACK, ISRAEL HAS NO FRIENDS.


5. The original bombing or Iraq over Kuwait was also founded on propaganda, delivered by none other than the niece of the Ambassador of Kuwait. (Ref: The Second Front)

I REMEMBER THAT ***** CRYING AT THE UN, NICE ACTRESS SHE WAS

6. The US tried and failed to kill Osama bin Laden 6 years ago (with a cruise missile). They knew all about this idiot and were still unprepared to deal with his sick machinations. (Ref: The Lexus and the Olive Tree)

WHY KILL A FUTURE MATYRS WHEN HE CAN BE USE AS A CONTINUTY TO US INVOLVEMENT, AND LIGITIMAZE US ACTIONS


7. I really don't think the US needs to legitimize its actions with regards to foreign policy any longer. 'Might makes right' in this New World Order. Get used to it. Perhaps an assassination would have been more fitting, but how do you get to Saddam? And would the US feel 'better' if that was the only extent of it?

GET BUSH OUT OF THERE


8. The principle problem with the current state of affairs is that a terrorist attack is not unilateral, meaning that it's not one soveriegn country picking a fight with another. It is an assortment of terrorist cells which will instill fear and CONFUSION in the minds of the Western world's people. The US NEEDED to blow something up. It was a therapeutic manuever designed to ease the minds of the American people. I don't know if it was at all successful, but what was the alternative? The US does not have the proper military intelligence to fetter out all of the terrorist cells and individuals and bring them to justice. Hopefully, their VERY crude attempt to punish nations that POSSIBLY harbour terrorists will have a positive effect (who the heck knows?).

NICE STATEMENT,

9. If my memory serves me correctly, Bin Laden is peaved at the US (the military) for the way they treated a religious burial site years ago, and generally dispises the Western lifestyle.

GIMME A BREAK, HE DRIVES BENZ, USE WESTERN TECHNOLOGY FOR ALL HIS NEEDS, GET MONEY WITH DEAL WITH THE WESTERN WORLD, HE JUST A DAMN HYPOCRIT INDEED HE IS.


10. I agree that the US must react to 9/11... this is a given. What were they supposed to do? Makes me wonder if they rolled a die to decide what country should get pounded, because there's a pretty good list of possibilities:

Iraq (NO) Iran(NO), Saudi Arabia(YES), Syria(NO), Palestine(MAYBE, DUED TO THE HAMAS AFFILIATION TO A CELL OF AL QUEADA, WEEKS BEFORE 9/11 (debatable), Afghanistan.

11. My instinct tells me that Iraq was chosen by Bush in an attempt to redeem Bush Senior's failure.

SOME PEOPLE ARE STUBBORNS AND ADD OIL, PLUS THE STRATEGIC POSITION OF IRAQ IN THE MIDDLE EAST.


12. There's only one thing more horrifying than bombs dropping in order to affect a change: Extreme Liberals crying for peace and filling each others minds with half truths and chop logic, all the while bonding and adorning respect and love for their own unsophisticated egos. The classic "I'm okay, you're okay" phenomenon.

LIBERALISM IS KILLING THE WESTERN WORLD, IM A SOCIALIST IN HEART BUT GIMME A DAMN BREAK WITH LIBERAL POLICIES...



That's my 2 cents. I hope I haven't offended anyone by my comments. Most of this foreign policy talk is speculation and I'm not privy to any exceptional information. It's times like these when you realize that life isn't black and white, it's shades of grays, and that's my attitude towards pretty much everything. Your friend today is your foe tomorrow and the enemy you know is better than the enemy you don't know.


By the way, I mostly agree with that 3vandoo guy (seems to know his stuff) and I also agree with Got Gear? (seems pretty level-headed).

THANX, MY WORK IS CLOSELY RELATED TO THIS FIELD.

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[BENNYBOOM]

If you look at history,you will see war is a neccessary thing,to combat good and evil.It would great if we could settle our differences over lunch or having coffee and cake.History has shown,the ONLY way to combat EVIL,is to fight evil.Might is RIGHT.Sometimes talkin just doesnt cut the pie.An ass whoopin is the only language they understand.

[flexer01]

its WAR ON TERROR......not WAR CUZ WE WANT YOUR OIL.....

[3Vandoo]

Israel is not into your pocket never was never will they USE THE US, you are in Israel's pocket!

[Luftdude]

Israel does control the U.S. We supply them with planes, tanks, and ships. They pay us.

[3Vandoo]

Originally posted by Luftdude
Israel does control the U.S. We supply them with planes, tanks, and ships. They pay us.

no they dont pay you!

you sponsor them we give you 1billion you buy 1 billion in US weaponery.

then they buy, killed alot of poor innocents create martyrs and new terrorist that attack US interests, plus at the end they sell your high tech weapon to lybia china and north korea.

[3Vandoo]

and relax about North Korea there missiles are pointed toward ONE CITY

and it is the city of MONTREAL QUEBEC CANADA!!!!

no joke

[DeezGunz]

we shouldnt help build it up, its not like they lived great lives before anyways. Let them keep living in the desert, atleast now they dont have saddam to mass kill muslims. Personally, I dont get it, saddam was killing off the terrorists in his country. Now, especially with the 87 billion they will be able to have what they always wanted, "a terrorist nation"

[DeezGunz]

I love how you people ***** over war for oil and then when there is a huge blackout in NY everyone cries and blames it on Bush. We cant get oil because of all these tree hugging morons and then the entire grid goes black because of it. War was necessary because of terrorism. How do you know that there were no links to Saddam and Al-Queda? These arent facts, but just your moronic ideas to spark up some anger in people. They had 10 years to hide all of there weapons, and we have had a few months to search for them. We will find the weapons, we know they had them, not just the US but the corrupt anti-US acknowledged it as well. I support our government, I support our president, and if you hate this government and this country so much then why the hell are you even here? I know why, BECAUSE THIS IS THE GREATEST COUNTRY ON EARTH. MOVE TO A SOCIALIST COUNTRY AND TRY TO VOICE YOUR OPINIONS, THEN GET STONED TO DEATH FOR HAVING A MIND OF YOUR OWN.