A serious discussion.

[njjuicer]

Originally posted by Sugarbaby
Ok, I agree with Pudgy....but unfortunately there is a downside to making this law. If a woman doesn't want a child, then if she finds out she is pregnant and can't have an abortion, she will probably end up killing the child by not giving it proper prenatal care.

LM: How would you have felt if we changed the immigration laws before you great grandparents got off the boat?

thats understood and im sure back then there was few of them nobody's but today its rediculous ino first hand livin around it all the tiem these foreigners dont work they coem off the baot and gov hooks them up with money right away they dotn work and they brign all there cousin who dotn work and the oens who do work dont got unions or anythign and work for zero which hlped put 2000 truckers out of jobs lilover a motnh ago at on place also aided in gettin ym father kicked outa a job

[Got Gear?]

Originally posted by LadiesMan
good food for thought. After more thought into this, I would not strengthen the vacation/visitation laws because I would not want to hurt my precious economy.

OK.. fair enough.

So. You plan on making it easy for them to get into the country, but hard for them to stay? I see a problem with this.. It isn't going to help with terrorism. And anyone who is planning on sneaking over the boarder can still do it.

I guess it boils down to this:
Do you think the problem stems from people who have gained access to your country through the propper channels. Or do you think the problem stems from people who have gained access through devious means?

[njjuicer]

Originally posted by LadiesMan
good food for thought. After more thought into this, I would not strengthen the vacation/visitation laws because I would not want to hurt my precious economy.

well ehs got us all eba tnow he can complain bout everyone lol

[Tinfish]

Well this wouldnt be the first thing i changed but i would change...

Everyone gets the 5th of July off work. Everyone parties all night watching the fireworks and has cool pool and bbq parties and then have to come to work the next day.

So I Tinfish, The President of the United States declare the 5th of July a national holiday to make life easier for us drunks.

[njjuicer]

Originally posted by Got Gear?
OK.. fair enough.

So. You plan on making it easy for them to get into the country, but hard for them to stay? I see a problem with this.. It isn't going to help with terrorism. And anyone who is planning on sneaking over the boarder can still do it.

I guess it boils down to this:
Do you think the problem stems from people who have gained access to your country through the propper channels. Or do you think the problem stems from people who have gained access through devious means?

its both unfortunately shady mofos and the oens who due it legall (which imsure they got sum help form inside obviously)...

[Lethal]

Originally posted by LadiesMan
Good point. But in my situation, my grandparents are native american, so they were never on a boat......

I didnt know Elvis was native american???

J/K


Serious face is back on!!!!!


I believe that the right to choose is the best!!! A womens body is a womens body. I agree that lives are lost.... but when exactly is something considered a life? at the embrotic stage? as a sperm or egg? If it is the later... then I am worse than ****** with all the death I have caused. just my 2cents

[Got Gear?]

Originally posted by njjuicer
its both unfortunately shady mofos and the oens who due it legall (which imsure they got sum help form inside obviously)...

Hmm.. I wish we had some reliable stats on this.

I think that you'd just end up forceing alot of people to use illegal means. Say "I'm going for a vacation" and never comming back.

[SUGARBABY]

LM: It is hard for me to believe you are 100% Native american...

NJ: Who do you think are hiring these foreigners? Your fellow Americans....they are just as much to blame as the gov't for allowing them in. When I worked in Aspen we had 3 Illegals working for the company, they received the same pay, but NEVER took breaks, OR slacked. Maybe if everyone's work ethic was as good as their's we wouldn't be in this situation.

[SUGARBABY]

Originally posted by Lethal

I believe that the right to choose is the best!!! A womens body is a womens body. I agree that lives are lost.... but when exactly is something considered a life? at the embrotic stage? as a sperm or egg? If it is the later... then I am worse than ****** with all the death I have caused. just my 2cents

Then is it fair to charge Scott Peterson with the death of his wife and child? It wasn't born yet...

[njjuicer]

Originally posted by Got Gear?
Hmm.. I wish we had some reliable stats on this.

I think that you'd just end up forceing alot of people to use illegal means. Say "I'm going for a vacation" and never comming back.

your right but wed need to eb o top of thse thigns when they dotn show up afte there time we coem and ge tu and keep tabs on them otheriws ei dotn know howd they do it

[Lethal]

NJ: Who do you think are hiring these foreigners? Your fellow Americans....they are just as much to blame as the gov't for allowing them in. When I worked in Aspen we had 3 Illegals working for the company, they received the same pay, but NEVER took breaks, OR slacked. Maybe if everyone's work ethic was as good as their's we wouldn't be in this situation. [/B][/QUOTE]



Maybe they only worked this hard because they were illegal and had to keep an edge to stay...

[njjuicer]

Originally posted by Sugarbaby
LM: It is hard for me to believe you are 100% Native american...

NJ: Who do you think are hiring these foreigners? Your fellow Americans....they are just as much to blame as the gov't for allowing them in. When I worked in Aspen we had 3 Illegals working for the company, they received the same pay, but NEVER took breaks, OR slacked. Maybe if everyone's work ethic was as good as their's we wouldn't be in this situation.

ok thats true but what can u say for the ppl whow rolked 30+ years and got booted with good work ethics such as my father who hadnt missed work in a few years and others liek him but your right in sum cases

[SUGARBABY]

Originally posted by njjuicer
your right but wed need to eb o top of thse thigns when they dotn show up afte there time we coem and ge tu and keep tabs on them otheriws ei dotn know howd they do it

I know of a 13 year old boy who was hit over the face with a 2x4 last week...his mom was the one swinging. If our governement is going to be tossing anyone outta the country, I hope they start with her. But, unfortunately, the child is still living in the same enviornment.

[Lethal]

Originally posted by njjuicer
ok thats true but what can u say for the ppl whow rolked 30+ years and got booted with good work ethics such as my father who hadnt missed work in a few years and others liek him but your right in sum cases

Thats just Capitalism!!!

Example: You have to neighborhood kids that can mow your grass... one older one younger... the older one has been doing it for a couple years at $20 a pop.... the younger one comes up to you and says I will cut your grass for $5. Who would you have cut yur grass? That is the same thing that Corporations do everyday....

[Got Gear?]

Originally posted by njjuicer
your right but wed need to eb o top of thse thigns when they dotn show up afte there time we coem and ge tu and keep tabs on them otheriws ei dotn know howd they do it

That's damn near impossible tho.

They'd start a new life. You wouldn't have any hope of tracking him down. If the person is smart, they're not hiding out in the part of the country they told customs they'd be in. What are you going to do? Put up a huge mess of pictures saying "Anyone seen this Frenchie?" That might work if your looking for 1 person.. but how about 1000's a month?