PCT HCG Question

[scottyspiked]

I only have 5,ooo Iu of HCG. What is the best way?
2 weeks after last inject start??

WHICH Is the best ?
every four days 2,000 then four days later, 2,000 then four days later, 1,000

Or

first 2,000, then four days later 1,000, then 4 days later 1,000 then 4 days later 500 then four days later 500

[jsjs24]

Neither imo, hcg should be taken in small doses....it's very strong. I'd do 500iu every day for 10-14 days and then straight to PCT. Start the hcg immediately after your last inject. Depending on how shut down you are, you might need to up it to 750 or 1000iu for a few days. What was your cycle?

[Got Gear?]

I'd do it 1000iu a day for 5 days. Start 1 week before anti-estrogen therapy, end 2 days before.

[jsjs24]

Originally posted by Got Gear?
I'd do it 1000iu a day for 5 days. Start 1 week before anti-estrogen therapy, end 2 days before.

There's so many ways to run it, but 500-1000iu is sufficient imo. But conclusive research has suggested that starting pct immediately after hcg is fine. It use to be though that you should wait about 5 days, this is not the case anymore.

[NeverSatisfied]

Originally posted by Got Gear?
I'd do it 1000iu a day for 5 days. Start 1 week before anti-estrogen therapy, end 2 days before.

that's how i'm doing it in my upcoming cycle

[scottyspiked]

I already started some Nolvadex??? Will this fuck up the HCG????


10mg a day just to start hardening my muscles and get rif of water and fat retention.
My cycle was D bol, Test and Decca

[scottyspiked]

JSJS24..... To answer ur question on how shut down I am......
My Testicles are soooo small!!!!! I cant believe they got that small. Also, a few weeekends ago I knew I was gonna get some ass fromthis chick . I have prblems getting fully hard. I took 50mgs of Viagra and it didnt do shit!!! I could barely get it up and wasnt that hard at all.. THis mean I am totally shut down???

[jsjs24]

Originally posted by scottyspiked
JSJS24..... To answer ur question on how shut down I am......
My Testicles are soooo small!!!!! I cant believe they got that small. Also, a few weeekends ago I knew I was gonna get some ass fromthis chick . I have prblems getting fully hard. I took 50mgs of Viagra and it didnt do shit!!! I could barely get it up and wasnt that hard at all.. THis mean I am totally shut down???

Damn bro, sounds like you're shut down pretty damn hard. It's the damn deca bro, that's why I'm going with eq this next time. You should probably do about 2000iu for 1 day, then 1000iu for about a wk. See if you notice them dropping then. I'm not an expert on this, I just know what I've read and what I've done. Deca shut me down like that and I did hcg at 2500iu 2 wks in a row and it did not help. So, try the consecutive days and see what happens.

Anyone else???

[scottyspiked]

Hey JSJS24

I even seem to get that way when I run test and EQ, But this time was very very bad. I have no sex drive compared to what I normally have. ANyways, I think Iwill try 2,00 to start and try consecutive days. WHen you said 2500iu for two weeeks do you mean 2500 one injection the first week. Then 2,500 iu second inject for the second week , and thats all just the two injects???

[Madmax]

bro id run 500 iu ed for the last 10 days your shots are leaving your system....i think 1000 iu ed maybe a little high....and i would wait a few days before you start pct after hcg...MM

[jsjs24]

Re: Hey JSJS24

Originally posted by scottyspiked
I even seem to get that way when I run test and EQ, But this time was very very bad. I have no sex drive compared to what I normally have. ANyways, I think Iwill try 2,00 to start and try consecutive days. WHen you said 2500iu for two weeeks do you mean 2500 one injection the first week. Then 2,500 iu second inject for the second week , and thats all just the two injects???

I clarified on this thru pm. No don't run 2500iu for 2 wks, try 2000iu day1 and then 1000iu for a few days to see if your boys start to come back, and then 500iu for a few days. Deca shuts me down hard too bro.

[Got Gear?]

Originally posted by Madmax
bro id run 500 iu ed for the last 10 days your shots are leaving your system....i think 1000 iu ed maybe a little high....and i would wait a few days before you start pct after hcg...MM

Max bro.. you lost me.

What's your reasoning for running it for 10days while "your shots are leaveing your system" I don't see what your free test levels have to do with the process. Basically you want your nuts to be near full size so then when they do start making testosterone again, they can produce it at near normal levels right away instead of slowing raising in test levels while the testies to grow back to normal size/output.

Now maybe 500iu for 10days does a better job of this than 1000iu for 5 days.... but I see no corolation to blood test levels.

[Madmax]

we all know that hcg stimulates production of testosterone. and since it takes a while to get testosterone production going again after using steroids...the person that has used steroids will go through a difficult transition phase which often results in a considerable loss instrength and muscle mass. using hcg immediatly after steroid treatment helps to reduce this problem because hcg increases the testosterone production in the testes very fast. when testicular atrophy is caused by huge doses and long periods of usage, hcg will help bring the testes back to their original condition....thats all im trying to say...MM

[Got Gear?]

Originally posted by Madmax
we all know that hcg stimulates production of testosterone. and since it takes a while to get testosterone production going again after using steroids...the person that has used steroids will go through a difficult transition phase which often results in a considerable loss instrength and muscle mass. using hcg immediatly after steroid treatment helps to reduce this problem because hcg increases the testosterone production in the testes very fast. when testicular atrophy is caused by huge doses and long periods of usage, hcg will help bring the testes back to their original condition....thats all im trying to say...MM

Cool, here's my thinking.

The reason we havn't started the PCT yet is because our free test levels are still too high. Stimulateing the testies to produce test while we're already 5x above our normal levels won't make much of a difference.

It's my thinking that the the majority of muscle loss happens when your free test levels drop below normal. This happens in the period from when the steroids run out untill your natural testosterone production returns to normal. If your HPTA system hadn't been shut down so long that testicular atrophy has set in, this wouldn't be a problem because the time period would only be a few hours. BUT, since testicular atrophy has set in, the testies need to grow back to their normal size before normal testosterone production can be reached. This can take days or even weeks depending on how long you've been shut down.

THUS, the best strategy for PCT HCG use is to get the testies back up to their normal "ready" status just before the steroids "run out", in order to minimize that time period where your free test levels are below normal.