tren...hard on kidneys???!!!!

[BigD]

Yeah, i'm on profina/eq/winny/t3/dnp, less than 100g's carbs at max. Damn competition dieting SUCKS, my brain doesnt' work and I have finals next week Fuck it, I'm at 7% already, if I don't get a nice 6-pack by 5-6weeks out, I'm pulling out of the competition and going straight into massive bulking! I want to kill the competition first time out, not place middle of the road! And no sarcasm goliath, I do believe you to be an intelligent guy, and witty debates are always welcome in BigD's house, PM me anytime to argue over scientific shit

[goliath.jr]

awesome! good luck on the show brother! i was doing 0 carbs 120g fat i got sick of living in never never land so i'm doing a total of 100g a day mostly pre/post workout. i can't believe you're doing low-carb so close to finals man! i'm a talkin' monkey on anything less than 100g!

so this is your first time on stage huh? i bet you're gonna be nervous as hell the day of - i know i would be! my wife wants me to compete, but i just don't know if i have what it takes to stand up in a thong in front of several hundred people. well best of luck to yah brother!

[BigD]

I know I have what it takes, I'm just not sure I'm ready this year. I really think I need another year of bulking, I'm only 21 years old. I've been up to 194lbs at 12% in the past offseason but that wasn't big enough apparently. Next cycle I'm finally going to up my doses to a fairly high amount, and aim for 220lbs at no more than 13%bf. I'm only 5'4", so that puts me within about 20lbs or so off Lee Priests off-season weight. I think that's a decent goal considering I still won't be doing even 1g of test yet What do you think? Bulk up bigger, or try and compete when i'm not sure I'm ready? I'm debating this heavily now...


P.S. Plus, the only competition in my state in the S.E. Gold's Classic, which is a damn NATIONAL qualifier. That means people from Texas to N.Y. will be there to compete. I just don't think I'm ready to try that level as my first competition, even in the novice category, if they even have one.

[goliath.jr]

like i said, i don't compete, but it is best to come in at the top of your weight class for sure. considering that you are 5'4 and have been 194, that really good size! i think that you will do really well if you can come in around 190 (i think that's top of lightweight anyway) - i met a guy that went in at 185 but he was almost my height (6') and he got his ass handed to him by guys your height and the same weight.

i would go ahead and do the show brother. even if you don't blow the competition out of the water first time around it will be a great learning experience and you will know how you need to come in on the next round. i think you'll have more to bring to the table that way.

[BigD]

Oh brother i'm nowhere near that size now I lose size very fast when i diet. I was 194lbs at 12% and holding lots of water. I'm now 167lbs and 7%... very solid and veiny, but I think too small. I'd do well in the lightweights I think, but I do not want to be a lightweight, nor do I want to just "do well." I want to kill everyone, make them shudder in fear when I walk on stage! And at my present size I dont' think that'll happen. That's what I get for only doing 700mg/week of T200 as my biggest bulking cycle

[deepinu]

I hope fina really doesnt stress the kidneys,i had mad protein in my uine although my creatinine and bun levels were fine i still developed severe edema (20lbs of water retention)..And my BP was 190/95 got it down to 130/80 right now..and i wanna jump back on fina but im still passing protein in my urine and the doc got me on prednisone...we'll see what happens..i cazy my doc said i hap Acute Glomerular Nephritis in which my tubules were inflamed and my kidneys werent filtering out protein but he said my kidney function was 100 percent!..Well that part sounded good

[BigD]

Yes, you can have impairment at the loop of henle, as lasix induces, and still have 100% kidney function. However, that's still not good. I would wait till you are no longer passing anything out of the ordinary and then waiting a bit longer before "jumping" back on. If your doc doesnt' know you use, then I'd tell him, or find an open-minded doctor, they can better help you to fix what's wrong! Good luck mate!

[hongkongguy]

good read,thanks guys.yes or no yes or no......except drink a lot of water,what is good{protect} for the kidneys when on tren??experinced guys please!

[goliath.jr]

Originally posted by hongkongguy
good read,thanks guys.yes or no yes or no......except drink a lot of water,what is good{protect} for the kidneys when on tren??experinced guys please!

ALA, rALA, tylers are accepted as the best precautions...and lots of water.

[hongkongguy]

thanks bro!what is the difference between ala and rala??i mean which one is better??

[deepinu]

Originally posted by hongkongguy
thanks bro!what is the difference between ala and rala??i mean which one is better??

r-ALA is just the racemine form of ALA its 2x as strong as ALA which means u only need half your normal dose and there are other little characteristics that differ but im not going to get into that...Do a search man,LOL...Kids gotta do their homework

[deepinu]

Originally posted by BigD
Yes, you can have impairment at the loop of henle, as lasix induces, and still have 100% kidney function. However, that's still not good. I would wait till you are no longer passing anything out of the ordinary and then waiting a bit longer before "jumping" back on. If your doc doesnt' know you use, then I'd tell him, or find an open-minded doctor, they can better help you to fix what's wrong! Good luck mate!

I was going to tell my doc...But I doubt he's going to give m advice and if he does its the kind of advice you find a second opinion for..Ive been on Prednisone for 3 weeks dawg!! and let me tell you how this shit is eating EVERYTHING UP! and my protein still hasnt cleared...On Monday my doc is putting me on ACE inhibitors for my BP (he had me on Atenolo..which is a beta-blocker) but he says the ACE inhibitors will protect my kidneys hopefully it will bring the proteinuria to a halt..Ill wait a couple weeks after clear up and see what the deal is...But this shit is depressing man...The 'sone all makin me as strong as a 12 year old girl in the gym

[juicer615]

tren is hard on my kidneys!

Okay first of all I wanted to say fuck the medical info. Most of the medical info that I studied in regards to roids is total bull. Anabolics 2004 was the only source where I was able to find info that applied to bodybuilding.

I'm currently on a cycle of tren, win, and GH. I started off with just GH, and win, and about 7 weeks ago added tren. These past few days were like hell. My kidneys hurt alottt. I have weird colored urine, cant sleep at night, wake up to urinate few times (never happened before on any juice! i'm only 22, too young for prostate problems!) I know it's my kidneys because that's the same pain I used to feel the next day after coke and alot of extacy when I used to mess with that. This pain is horrible though! i dont think i'm ever touching tren again, no significant gains either. good luck to you all

[SMILEY FACE]

no u are fucked up man, not trying to falme u or anything, but i hate to say this u are a druggy, u dID, (coke, X,) and steroids, tooo much shit man.
i do AS and i'am tellign u, but i have done tren 700 mg a week for 6 weeks, and was taking dbol 12tbs a day and 1000 mg of omendren and i was fine, tren gave me tremendous strenghr and kept my blaot off, no water waht so ever, i'am not a doctor or anything, but have u check ur health after u have did coke, x and so forth, i mean did u overdose anything, including AS?
i hate to say this but i disagree, everyhting will fuck u up including asprin, motrin advil and so forthhhhh, but u need to know how much to take and for how long.
if u were pissing different color that was a sign for u to stop, and i hope that u went to teh doct and got checked out, UR HEALTH COMES FIRST MAN

[jamesbrosky]

Originally posted by BigD
You cannot "feel" your kidneys anymore than you can "feel" your liver. Both can be in complete failure and you won't feel a thing. You CANNOT say your kidney's were stressed b/c you "felt". Sorry, study some of the vaunted "evidence" you have and you'll find it's nothing more than hearsay and your own easily succeptible mind. Sorry, tren isn't kidney-toxic. Your turn Pro

If youve been kicked in the kidney youll feel it. It doesnt feel good either