T3, DNP, etc are NOT catabolic!

[Got Gear?]

Well, not anymore catabolic than if your diet was so strict that you'd loose weight at the same rate naturally.

I've seen alot of people who believe that T3/DNP directly attacks your muscle or something along these lines. It's simply not true.

T3/DNP is no more catabolic if your using it to bump up your body's # of maintenance calories by 500 than simply dieting at a rate so that your consuming 500 calories below normal maintenance.

So to recap: If your taking T3 and loosing 3lbs/wk, it's no harder on your LBM than if you were dieting hard enough to loose 3lbs/wk naturally.

[Got Gear?]

Clen does appear to have some anti-catabolic properties tho..

[BigD]

I knew that All they do is increase metabolic rate, which means more calories burned. If you take 200mcg of T3 a day and are only eating 2500 cals, you're gonna lose muscle and fat, even on androgens. Dnp does hamper my workouts though, while clen seems to help.

[Got Gear?]

Originally posted by BigD
I knew that All they do is increase metabolic rate, which means more calories burned. If you take 200mcg of T3 a day and are only eating 2500 cals, you're gonna lose muscle and fat, even on androgens. Dnp does hamper my workouts though, while clen seems to help.

You seem to understand the concept well.

Bump, for those that don't

P.S. Taking androgens will help tho. It will sway the ratio of muscle loss to fat lass to the "fat loss" side.

[BigD]

Different with every person. Though I believe T3 can raise your BMR by around 30% at max, clen by 10%, DNP by 50%. And that's why I'm only taking T3 with profina/eq/winny... I want to loose as much fat as possible, but without a starvation diet and tons of cardio. So, I have plenty of androgens to hold as much muscle as possible and hope that the T3 and low cals don't take too much muscle with 'em

[Got Gear?]

Originally posted by alittlewhiteboy
damn, 30% is a lot though. .. even 20%. . .

Remeber that's the MOST it can bump metabolism.

And yes, it varies with every person and what your natural T3 levels are.

[TxLonghorn]

I think dnp is safer than clen and more effective than t3 or anything else for that matter. As for if it's catabolic or not, yeah, it is, but I pretty much have the same take on it as you: you'd lose the muscle anyways if you were dieting.

[IntensityX]

Originally posted by TxLonghorn
I think dnp is safer than clen and more effective than t3 or anything else for that matter. As for if it's catabolic or not, yeah, it is, but I pretty much have the same take on it as you: you'd lose the muscle anyways if you were dieting.

I don't believe it is,because IMHO DNP is much more dangerous then any compound there is.You run the risk of death taking DNP then you do clen or t3,in fact I have never heard anyone dying from clen or t3 but I have heard a lot of people dying from DNP so with that DNP is more dangerous then any kind of drug that a bodybuilder can take.Don't take this as a flame bro but that is just my .02 on the issue.

Eat,Learn,Train,Grow
IntensityX

[Billy_Bathgate]

Usnic Acid is much more dangerous than DNP

[TxLonghorn]

Originally posted by IntensityX
I don't believe it is,because IMHO DNP is much more dangerous then any compound there is.You run the risk of death taking DNP then you do clen or t3,in fact I have never heard anyone dying from clen or t3 but I have heard a lot of people dying from DNP so with that DNP is more dangerous then any kind of drug that a bodybuilder can take.Don't take this as a flame bro but that is just my .02 on the issue.

Eat,Learn,Train,Grow
IntensityX

No flame taken. However, there are more people that die from aspirin per year, so that kind of argument really doesn't hold much water with me. Not to mention the kid who supposedly died from dnp (you remember that whole stink over on elite) did not die from dnp. The amount of dnp in his body was nowhere near lethal dosage. Not to mention the fucking doctors gave him lasix when he entered the emergency room. But nobody talks about that.

The sentiment surrounding dnp on these boards is almost identical to the sentiment the average person has towards gear. And it's just as valid.

But that's what makes these boards great, you have the ability to rationally discuss various and sundry topics that you can't discuss in person for obvious reasons.

[TxLonghorn]

Originally posted by Billy_Bathgate
Usnic Acid is much more dangerous than DNP

Absolutely. And so is insulin for that matter.

[IntensityX]

Originally posted by TxLonghorn
No flame taken. However, there are more people that die from aspirin per year, so that kind of argument really doesn't hold much water with me. Not to mention the kid who supposedly died from dnp (you remember that whole stink over on elite) did not die from dnp. The amount of dnp in his body was nowhere near lethal dosage. Not to mention the fucking doctors gave him lasix when he entered the emergency room. But nobody talks about that.

The sentiment surrounding dnp on these boards is almost identical to the sentiment the average person has towards gear. And it's just as valid.

But that's what makes these boards great, you have the ability to rationally discuss various and sundry topics that you can't discuss in person for obvious reasons.

Good point but I still think DNP is far more dangerous then clen or t3 for that matter but I will say this,regardless of what it is a lot of drugs can be lethal if not used properly,so I suggest anyone that takes stuff like this to research as much as possible before taking stuff like DNP,insulin,etc.

Eat,Learn,Train,Grow
IntensityX

[CJWolf]

so Got Gear ... waht does catabolic mean?

because it seems to me that it means the degradation of complex molecules into simple molecules ... which is exactly what DNP does ...

It promotes a state of catabolism, but it is muscle sparing ...

[3Vandoo]

im a victim of dnp!

fick it now

[jdo2k1]

Originally posted by BigD
Different with every person. Though I believe T3 can raise your BMR by around 30% at max, clen by 10%, DNP by 50%. And that's why I'm only taking T3 with profina/eq/winny... I want to loose as much fat as possible, but without a starvation diet and tons of cardio. So, I have plenty of androgens to hold as much muscle as possible and hope that the T3 and low cals don't take too much muscle with 'em

Just curious, but what is the BMR increase with straight ephedrin?