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[dirtwarrior]

OK now I am on a testosterone cruise and really like it. I want to add a cycle of tren later. I got some questions.
What is the best test/tren ratio?
Since I will stay on test what is the pct for tren?

I have all the caber, adex etc on hand but am not plagued by estro sides even up to 600 mg test per week.

At the end of the cycle I am looking fo 10# of keepable gains.

[daved150]

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what kind of test you using? i usually run tren ace with prop. in that case, its pretty much 1 to 1. but....even with tren enath and test enath i go 1 to 1. i dont really suffer bad sides from teen. i dont do anything special whne i come off, i just stop. i'm on test year round....
maybe someone else can chime in a little

[dirtwarrior]

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Sounds like what I am doing stay on test year round. I am on test e @ about 400 a week. My levels are around 1600. This makes me feel good and doing good in the gym. I did have some RBC count issues but have that sorted out.

[bm2006]

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what kind of issues did you have with your rbc?

[6p6]

I always keep my test higher than my tren, my preference. It might be an old school mentality but that's what I do!

[guns01]

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i like a 2/1 ratio for my guinea pigs myself but i am old school methods of doing things. be careful with the rbc man. that can and most certainly will kill you with a quickness

[suprfast]

I run them about the same in my cattle. 700-800mg ew of each.

[dirtwarrior]

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what kind of issues did you have with your rbc?

very high RBC count this led to high BP and bothe issues cleared up with ACE inhibiters


What kind of PCT with my senerio of stay on test all year and tren for 16 weeks

[dirtwarrior]

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I run them about the same in my cattle. 700-800mg ew of each.

sounds good

[unclem]

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just a word to wise, please, those who use tren ace alot during the yr, get your kidneys checked even if your drinking lots of h2o, kidney protectors. a sign to look for is dark brown to brownish orange in am urine, i know i had this in am urine and i had to high protein in urine and my flap in my right kidney was not functioning well but, again not to push no certain company but, mexgear omega 3 tren dont due that to me but when i used pellets i had this. now iam sure more then mexgear has good effects to urine but thats what i tried. so with that said get a cbc to see wats going on.

[Michelle Hayden]

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[COLOR="#800080"]What is it your wanting to know Daved..spell it out please lol! It is good to run it at a higher dosage and the slowly bring it down. If you are on test year around at what dosage are u Daved? It is still a good idea to run a pct as well or proviron helps in a male i have found with a certain amount of hcg. It will help in the recovery of the testicular axsis coming around. I know a good amount of bbers and even non competitors like tren, but their are other alternatives that can be much better options for the non competitor that are better for you as you get older. Not that you are old Daved lol! If you want faster acting that will help you more NPP is a good option. It will give you similar results with less affinity for long term atrophy and is better for prolactin and will actually help with bone density and for the joints. You will still get very good quality cuts and muscle retention. Just my .2 cents. /COLOR]

[Michelle Hayden]

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1/4 to 1 is good ratio..like tren is very anabolic and i think guys overdue it. So it would be like if you are running a gram of test do 400mg of tren..get it? dont listen to me tho i am just a girl lol PCT you run just like you would with any other cycle, but if you get shut down hard use mor hcg and it can help to run alittle proviron during..it will help with your junk. [/I]

[Guest]

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I always keep my test higher than my tren, my preference. It might be an old school mentality but that's what I do!

Imhave always don e the same.Test is always the highest mg of any compund in my cycles.For me its been the best way to achieve great results and more importantly keeping the neg sides to a minimum.I greatly attribute this to my good health in my aging yrs.

[FUZO]

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I do what dave does 1 prop to 1 tren every day with the prop so thats 700mg of prop.If I had a prop 200mg that didnt cripple me I would take 200mg of prop but unless the prop is made right I have to do 1

[dirtwarrior]

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I have played with tren a lot this past year. I have ran test higher than tren, results where not as bad as far as anxiety as when I ran tren higher than test. I also noticed that while running tren higher than test prolactone sides and being shut down as far as sex goes where crucial, this is without running any caber. I ran both higher test and higher tren cycles without caber to see the true sides. I know many will advise against this as do I but in order to give someone advice in the future I willingly did this so I can know what I am talking about instead of bro science. IMO whether running higher tren or higher test proviron or caber is a must imo for stabilized libido throughout cycle. The only AI I ran during these cycles armidex. Again I ran cycles with an AI and without, and found that AI is crucial and found really no difference as far as sides from running higher tren or test during cycles. This is my body, but again the ratio ran and sides didn't very to much. I experienced the same sides from each ratio, but it is imperative imo to run a good AI. I prefer armidex on cycle and aromasin in pct, at the time when I still pct. I must say I had better results from running tren higher than my test. I have ran test e and prop during my tren runs. If blasting I prefer test prop due to it being a faster ester just like tren a works amazing for a 8-10wk run, when running a 10+ cycle prefer test e or c because tren a kicks it off real fast and about 3-4wks into the cycle the longer ester kicks in for the added push and usually stabilizes me out mentally and sexually more than it would when running prop. Again during these cycles I only ran test prop and test e, no other added compounds to be the guinea pig so I speak educated versus ignorant. I will also admit that I have ran a tren a only cycle, yes I did it, it was the dumbest thing I have ever done. Sides where almost unbearable as far as my mental state and sex drive. Gains were there, but the sides wasn't worth it imo, and I pct and seemed to take forever to stabilize my natural levels and bp.

As far as TRT, of which I have been doing for almost a year now. There is no need to pct as we call this stage blasting and cruising. IMO where it be a short blast or long cycle, I recommend to cruise for at least the same amount of time on cycle or blast as your cycle. You could cut the cruise time by 2-3 wks short to enter another cycle. Again this is just my opinion.

My cycles that I have ran with Tren A.
Wk 1-12 Test e and have done Test C- 500mg and one cycle 850mg
Wk 1-10 Tren a 300 and 400mg

Wk 1-10 Test Prop 700mg and 400mg
Wk 1-8 Tren a 400mg and 560mg

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The dumb cycle
Wk 1-6 Tren a 400mg

For injections I did eod and ed injections and found that as much as it sucks and annoying I recommend ed injections for stabilized blood levels.

One thing I forgot to mention as I ran HCG on the second cycles of both longer ester test and short ester test. I played both with 500iu and 1000 iu weekly IM
injections. The way I tested for my own best results were is I ran 500iu half way through the longer and shorter cycles then half way through switched to 1000iu weekly. For me I have found regardless of dosing that 1000iu is better suit than with 500iu

Hope this helps.

great answer thanks

1/4 to 1 is good ratio..like tren is very anabolic and i think guys overdue it. So it would be like if you are running a gram of test do 400mg of tren..get it? dont listen to me tho i am just a girl lol PCT you run just like you would with any other cycle, but if you get shut down hard use mor hcg and it can help to run alittle proviron during..it will help with your junk. [/I]

lol Michele I would not say just a girl. In this sport you are very respected regardless of gender