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ok, posting over here too. this fat nurse ***** whose b/f i got test for (can't get his own gear even) are both telling my friend that the humulin R i am using will give me diabetes and fuck up my pancreas and all that shit. and the humalog that he is taking is fine and dandy and will cause no such problems. i find this hard to believe since i thought insulin was insulin, just that the half lifes were different. basically i'd like to prove them wrong since it makes no sense to me. anyone with exp know if this statement of humulin R causing all these problems over humalog is correct?
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humulin R could cause a dependency if you took it 3x per day for about 3 months ... otherwise you really don't have to worry aobut it ... -
exactly, its like saying anadrol will fuck up your liver and dbol won't. NOT!!!! either will if abused like you stated. i already told him i'm at 8iu a day 4 days a week! wowee! but some people are just stupid and uninformed. this chick is a nurse on top of it all. my friend is an idiot for listening to her on top of it. thanks...........Originally posted by CJWolf
humulin R could cause a dependency if you took it 3x per day for about 3 months ... otherwise you really don't have to worry aobut it ...Comment
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Insulin spikes are so brief that there shouldn't be any pancreatic damage at all. I know synthetic insulin is being used to help protect cells now and many benefits have been discovered in the type II diabetic. The short amount of time you will be doing slin should have no long term effects at all. There is no negative feedback loop for the pancreas- so even when you take exogeneous insulin you won't be shutting down your body's natural production, especially if you use the short acting humalog version.
Humulin and humalog are meal time insulins which are meant to lower blood sugar to go along with the typical spike in insulin that goes along with eating carbs- so the spike should not be something that is completely foreign to the body, although it is more severe than natually occurring spikes.
Humulin will not give you diabetes whereas humalog will not of course. Humalog is better because it more closely mimicks your body's natural insulin release, but with either one you are just increasing the amount of insulin in your system for a short time each day so it should not have too much of an impact.
With that said, no one knows for sure- you may be increasing your risk for diabetes although it seems unlikely... no one can know for sure.Comment
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People try to use the same logic for the pancreas and insulin, as they do for the hormonal system, there is not a negative feedback loop in the pancreas like there is for your test production.I eat at least 6 times a day to build my body
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the problem lies with your bodies cells developing insulin resistance.
that is the problem with exengonous insulin.
also know as type II diabetes. I have never heard of or read anyone that experience pancreatic shutdown (type I) from exengonous insulin.Comment
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Billy,Originally posted by Billy_Bathgate
the problem lies with your bodies cells developing insulin resistance.
that is the problem with exengonous insulin.
also know as type II diabetes. I have never heard of or read anyone that experience pancreatic shutdown (type I) from exengonous insulin.
didnt want to sound like a jackass so i didnt try to guess, whats the name of the specific cells or receptors that can get desensitized with exo insulin? Damn, i just read it again on CEM, damn drug use in my early teens:2gunsfiriI eat at least 6 times a day to build my body
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if u r predisposed to diabetes u might get fucked up...be careful and check your family historyComment
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yeah, i figure long term use....even with small amounts for a few days a week is not for me. just during heavier cycles, or cycles with GH etc in them. so i should be alright there. my dads side i am not sure if anyone was diabetic (but none i know of)....no one on my moms side is.....other than my grandfather who passed away ~80 years old. he had gotten it much later in life. did not die of diabetic reasons. basically wanted to dispell this myth that one is less likely to cause diabetes/harm than the other. although the longer acting nature along w/ abuse would lead to quicker harm with humulin R....i'll say that from what i have read. nevertheless abuse of either will lead to harm in the long run. i tried to explain the half lives and all to my friend....but he is thickheaded and wanted more to tell me "when you end up in the hospital, i told you so". this after i get him all his gear, i always tell him the correct info when his other "friends" mislead him, and of course he always uses info two months later that i told him earlier on that he said was wrong when i told him. don't you love "friends"? lol. thanks............Comment
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Warbird, I have had diabetes for 18years. I take insulin 3 times a day. The only difference in the humalog and humulin is their duration times. Humalog begins acting within 15 and is out of your system within a couple of hours. Humulin starts acting around 1-2 hours (if i remeber correctly) and stays in your system a little longer. They are both insulin-end of story. One is not as bad or more stong as the other. I have taken Humalog, Humulin R, L, U, N, and Lantus so I'am pretty familiar with all the insulins out there. That nurse id an idiot!Comment
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opps, I misspelled is, I must be an idoit too.?????????????Comment
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thanks for the back-up on that.......you mispelling idiot....Originally posted by kblake
Warbird, I have had diabetes for 18years. I take insulin 3 times a day. The only difference in the humalog and humulin is their duration times. Humalog begins acting within 15 and is out of your system within a couple of hours. Humulin starts acting around 1-2 hours (if i remeber correctly) and stays in your system a little longer. They are both insulin-end of story. One is not as bad or more stong as the other. I have taken Humalog, Humulin R, L, U, N, and Lantus so I'am pretty familiar with all the insulins out there. That nurse id an idiot!
lol.
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LOL now you misspelled "misspelling"!Originally posted by WarbirdWS6
thanks for the back-up on that.......you mispelling idiot.... lol.
It's better to burn out, than to fade away...Comment
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well, actually she may have a point........butnot like she thinks.
lets assume you stayed on slin for almost every hour of the day everday for a long time. MAYBE this will cause problems. its safe to say most people do fear long continued heavy use of slin. but our short intermittant cycles imo are very low risk.
now i do see a potential problem if i used slin at bodybuilding doses 3-4x ed for a yr. when i stopped i would imagine my body will now react diff to slin, im guessing it would be less sensitive to it. this means maybe your body can no longer make enough slin thus requiring you to take some exogenous to assist.
now if hum r is active for about 2x as long as log, then if you took log compared to hum r, you would actually be under the effect of slin for half the time with log compared to r.
so IF long constnat slin use does pose a potential risk, which i think it does, then yes r would be more damaging than log. say you took log 3x ed. thats let say 2hrs x 3 shots =6 hours of active time. now witsh to r, thats now 4hrs x 3 shots = 12 hours active.
so yes she does have a point.
is it significant? probabaly not. we dont evenknow if slin can cause diabeteies yet. regardless i think we can all agree on one point, and thats its prob a good and safe idea to cycle slin and give breaks. so even in that case, r is still leaving you under the influence of slin for twice as long. but we dont know if time under the influence of slin has anything negative to our health. but i would imagine it does in SOME form or shape.Comment
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thanks for pointing that out! <asshole>........j/k. :pOriginally posted by Skarn
LOL now you misspelled "misspelling"!
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