A Sprinters Cycle

[prolangtum]

yes, suspension, then possibly tren, not tren suspension, if thats what u infered.

[Raoul3]

You might wanna check this thread Steroids for athletes (thanks to Nautica and others) I know it's from another board but I found it really interesting!

Also this article by Charlie Francis himself. The whole evolution of steroids in the sprint world, very good read!! http://www.testosterone.net/articles/180ana.html
(server seems to be down at the moment)

I have the exact same goals and I'm going to run Prop and Var just like mentioned above. Prop just 50 ED or 100 EOD. Also I might add some light dose d-bol for recovery and ATP (or AMP) injections. Can't wait to start it, in about a month now!!

[nautica]

You say funds are no prob - Does that include funds for IGF-1 and/or HGH????

Also - with that amount of time for clearance you should be able to run a pretty good stack if you start early enough.

Let me know about the IGF-1 and HGH and we will go from there

Nautica

[swolegreaser]

thanks guys, nautica funds won't be a prop with the GH and others, and thanks for the good read raoul

[swolegreaser]

bump

[CJWolf]

i'd avoid fina ... when i run fina i go from being able to run 3 miles to only 1 before i get horrible pumps in the calves and shins ...

winny or var would be my choices ... or even something like EQ, but that's a long ester, so i guess you have to avoid it ...

[swolegreaser]

I think i'm gonna go with some var, halo, prop or susp maybe winnies, and GH. how's that? maybe also throw a light dose d-bol?
I just finished a 15 wk cycle and now have 4 dys left on clomid. How long should I wait for my spped cycle, about 3-4 months? I can't wait that long becuase I wanna be done wiht everything by july. What do u guys think.

[swolegreaser]

nautica where u at bro, need ur opionion on this matter.

[Raoul3]

Originally posted by swolegreaser
I think i'm gonna go with some var, halo, prop or susp maybe winnies, and GH. how's that? maybe also throw a light dose d-bol?
I just finished a 15 wk cycle and now have 4 dys left on clomid. How long should I wait for my spped cycle, about 3-4 months? I can't wait that long becuase I wanna be done wiht everything by july. What do u guys think.

Yeah you have only 3-4 weeks then... I'm sure you know time on is supposed to equal time off. But you would need to start like around the 21st of april (for a 10-weeker) in order to be off by July. Personally I wouldn't risk it, especially if you're about to get 4.3 already!!!! That's NFL right there.
Or maybe use compounds that aren't too suppressive.
You could possibly get away with a GH and Var cycle. Throw in some creatine (to enhance the var) along with amp (amp produces dilation of heart blood vessels) and atp injections (atp supplementation serves as a potent neurotransmitter), you would have a nice cycle for speed. Just my 2 cents...
Bump for Nautica.

[swolegreaser]

Roaul what are amp and atp injections??? I read it on the read u gave me as well, but have no idea. It might be a silly question but I guess I need to know. BUMP

[Impossible]

AMP = adenosine monophosphate
ATP = adenosine triphosphate

ATP is where cells derive their energy from.
AMP is a precursor to ADP and ATP.

[Raoul3]

I don't know how effective it is really but it can't hurt giving it a try I guess. Plus it's legal and cheap.

[Raoul3]

Here is an article that a mod from AR sent me.


(ATP), organic compound composed of adenine, the sugar ribose, and three phosphate groups. ATP serves as the major energy source within the cell to drive a number of biological processes such as photosynthesis, muscle contraction, and the synthesis of proteins. It is broken down by hydrolysis to yield adenosine
diphosphate (ADP), inorganic phosphorus, and energy. ADP can be further broken down to yield adenosine monophosphate (AMP), additional phosphorus, and more energy. When the phosphorus and energy are immediately used to drive other reactions, such as the synthesis of uridine diphosphate (UDP), an RNA precursor, from uridine monophosphate (UMP), the pair of reactions are said to be coupled. New ATP is produced from AMP using the energy released from the breakdown of fuel molecules, such as fats and sugars.
Extracellularly, ATP has been found to act as a neurotransmitter. ATP receptors are widespread through the body. On its own it is known to have effects in the arteries, intestines, lungs, and bladder. It is also often released in tandem with other neurotransmitters, perhaps to add chemical stability Adenosine Triphosphate, the energy of life by Robert Mason Ph.D

Adenosine Triphosphate (pronounced A-den-o-seen Try-foss-fate) or ATP represents the universal energy molecule. In a very real sense ATP is the power behind life. ATP is a nucleotide consisting of adenine, ribose, and a phosphate unit. It is the principal carrier of energy for all forms of life. ATP isestimated to provide 95% for all cellular energy throughout the body.

The Power behind Life

In essence, energy arrives from the Sun, but humans are unable to convert it directly to run metabolic processes. Therefore, we depend on photosynthesis to convert solar energy into chemical storage (in the form of carbohydrate). Through catabolic metabolism, carbohydrate is converted into the energy of ATP.

Nobel Prize

The importance of the role of ATP cannot be overstated. Perhaps that’s one of the reasons why in1997 the Nobel Prize for chemistry was awarded to; Dr. John Walker of the Laboratory of Molecular Biology, Cambridge, Dr. Paul Boyer of the University of California, Los Angeles and Dr. Jens Skou ofthe Aarhus University, Denmark for their detailed work on how ATP shuttles energy.

ATP and the Mitochondria

ATP is created inside cells called mitochondria. The mitochondria can be found in every cell of every organ, but they are perhaps “hardest at work” inside the brain. This isn’t a surprise considering that the brain utilizes approximately 20% of the body’s oxygen and 50% of the sugars we ingest in its ever constant demand for energy.

The Dangers of ATP
Production Problems

The brain is unable to store ATP and the mitochondria are unable to “share” ATP from other organs mitochondria. It is estimated that the demands for a resting human are 40Kg (88 Lbs.) of ATP per 24-hours! During strenuous activity this demand increases to 500g (1.1 Lbs.) per minute!

Yet while ATP serves as the energy current for all cells, its quantity is very limited. In fact, only about 70mg of ATP is stored in the body at any one time! Therefore, during strenuous activity, such as sprinting, ATP supplies would last for no more than 5 to 8 seconds! It becomes immediately apparent that ATP must be constantly and effectively synthesized to provide a continuous supply of energy. When an interruption of the energy producing substances (such as oxygen or blood carrying nutrients) occurs, (e.g. heart attack or stroke) that as the production of ATP
is effected a cascade of free-radical damage begins.

Recent research indicates that it may be an ATP-imbalance, (the result of damage to the neuronal support [glial] cells, or to the mitochondria themselves under ischemic and hypoxic conditions such as those mentioned above) that leads to increased neuronal cell death. However, even “minor” oxygen and blood starvation events, such as those that may not appear serious but may be attributed to an aging condition, could lead directly to temporally lobe epilepsy (a mild form of epilepsy).
Furthermore, we can consider that such events also have a consequence for the onset of multiple sclerosis itself.

ATP and Disorders

Around the world ATP supplements have been and are being used in all the following conditions:

1. Acrocyanosis: (Discoloration of hands and feet due to poor circulation).

2. Acroparaesthesiae: (Tingling in hands and feet).

3. Asthma: (In general).

4. Back Pain: (Particularly mild lower back pain).

5. Cardiology: (Spasms related to the coronary arteries and thrombosis of peripheral vessels. And as a preventative for potential heart attack).

6. Chronic Asthenia: (Accompanied or not by low blood pressure, genital and senile asthenia, stress).

7. Circulatory Alterations: (In general).

8. Convalescence: (Following operations and of seriously ill patients).

9. Dermatology: (Atopic dermatitis, chronic and acute eczema).

10. Diabetes: (As a coadjutant in the treatment of diabetic arteriopathies).

11. Ear Problems: (Ménière's Disease, Tinnitus [ringing in the ears], deafness due to nerves, deafness due to streptomycin).

12. Endocrinology: (In general).

13. Geriatrics: (Improve well being and energy).

14. Gynecology: (Particularly alterations due to spasms of the uterine muscle).

15. Itching: (In general).

16. Neurology: (As a coadjutant in the treatment of extended sclerosis and other neurological lesions and related to muscular dystrophy’s).

17. Nutrition: (In general).

18. Ophthalmology: (Strained eyesight).

19. Poisoning: (In general).

20. Raynaud's Disease: (Blanching of the fingers and toes).

21. Rheumatism: (In general).

22. Sports Medicine: (Training, physical strain, fatigue of all kinds).

23. Surgery: (Prior to and following surgery to prevent anoxia).

ATP and Aging

The body’s ATP production declines as we age. the size, volume, and number of the mitochondria alter during age. As the mitochondria produce ATP, an abundance of free radicals are generated. Free radicals over a life-time damage cellular components which of course leads to decreased efficiency.

Conclusion

Whilst the authors could find no clinical studies to support ATP supplementation and aging, there is no doubt that ATP is a vital component of life.

It appears to be a logical step that ATP supplementation can aid and assist in improving energylevels and help support conditions such as chronic fatigue, multiple sclerosis and similar disorders where neuronal glial cells and mitochondria are especially at-risk.

a number of patients and health professionals claim that sublingual or injectable ATP supplementation can be highly beneficial for those who feel permanently weak, tired, or lack energy (i.e. chronic fatigue).

Dosages, Side Effects and Contraindications

It is noted that patients with either pulmonary hypertension or myocardial infarction should not use ATP if the disease is in its acute phase. ATP appears to be a very safe and satisfactory supplement. Whilst dosages have to be altered according to the age and condition of the patient and the desired result, it is generally considered that the following dosages are effective in 90% of cases: By injection: 2-4 c.c. daily by deep intramuscular injection (or by intravenous injection when dissolved in a glucose serum).
By sublingual absorption (under the tongue): 30mg to 90mg per day taken in three divided doses (i.e. 10-30mg three times per day). It is important to ensure that the product is absorbed through the mouth membranes and not swallowed.

References

1.Cotrina ML, Lin JH, Lopez-Garcia JC, Naus CC, Nedergaard M, ATP mediated glialsignaling, Journal Neurosci. 2000 Apr. 15;20(8): 2835-44.
2.Kunz WS, Kudin AP, Vielhaber S, Blumcke I, Zuschratter W, Scramm J, Beck H, Elger CE, Mitochondrial complex I deficiency in the epileptic focus of patients with temporal lobe epilepsy, Ann. Neurosci. 2000 Nov; 48(5) 766-73.
3.Verweij BH, Muizelaar JP, Vinas FC, Peterson PL, Xiong Y, Lee CP, Impaired cerebral mitochondrial function after traumatic brain injury in humans, J. Neurosurg. 2000 Nov; 93(5): 815-20. 4.Anderson E, You scratch my back and I will synthesize adenosine triphosphate by means of oxidative phosphorylation.
5.Adenosine Triphosphate, Microsoft Encarta Online Encyclopedia, 2000.
6.Atepodin, manufacturers insert 1999.
7.Chemistry in Britain, November 1999.
8.Database of the Swedish Academy of Sciences, Stockholm.
9.Database of the Oxford University, England.
10.Skou J, Aarhus University, Denmark.
11.Walker J, Laboratory of Molecular Biology, Medical Research Council, Cambridge, England.
12.Boyer P, University of California, Los Angeles, USA.

[Baxter]

Originally posted by slobberknocker
Actually, I don't think many sprinters take winny because of what it does to the joints, but I could be wrong. B Johnson got busted for it, but he wasn't on it.

slobberknocker: Explain yo'self pls.

swolegreaser,
Hit up some Prop and Oral Turinabol.

[swolegreaser]

thanks roaul, baxter, impossibale.

Guys since the atp and amp is legal where and how can I get it? With the results I want how much should I run it with?
Can I get it at any sumplement store or is through pharmacy?

So what do u think of this of this sprinters cycle:
Test prop (as my test base)
oral turinabol or Halo
anavar
winstrol
HGH 2iu's morning 2iu's night
Clomid therepy post
Is too much or should I throw something else in there? I have about 8-10 under my belt so I should be okay.

What do u guys think of that maybe to much? Halo, winnie, var shouldnt be to bad on the liver right lol
I'll take a shit load of ala, thistle etc...as well careo extract cuz that stuff makes me have endurance up the ying yang.

I need to get as explosive and fast as possible in a short period of time. Also I need to have aot of endurance too as I play reciever and punt return. As a reciever we run all the damm time lol. Ohhh yeah, how long should I run it for, 10-12 wks.
Plus if u guys may, u can throw some dosages and wks etc....
REMEMBER
I need to get off by late july, since we get tested at the end of Aug.
I also have a wk left on clomid, so I cant start for at least 3 wks.