question about AS alternatives

[rude]

yellowjacket, do prohormones stunt growth and with ph would be like test or anavar

[swolegreaser]

bro just find a domestic and get urself a good cycle forget about prohormones, go with the real stuff. just my .02

[rado]

Originally posted by YellowJacket
Ahhh...... Pro hormones are 'legal alternatives' to anabolic steriods. I hate to say alternative, because they are becoming fixtures of a growing populations cycles. Pro hormones include but arent limited to 19nor, 3-alpha, 4-ad, 1,4ad, 1-ad, etc. Pro hormones convert via enzymatic reaction to anabolic substances, which promote nitrogen retention, muscle gains, fat, loss, etc. Think of them as mild Steriods. Things like 1-test, although NOT a pro hormone, are VERY potent in muscle growth. On an 8 week cycle, gains for 15-20lbs arent uncommon. PHs are divided up just as AAS are. You have cutting PHs (19nor, 3-alpha, 4-Ad etc.) and bulking PHs (5-alpha, 1-ad, 1,4ad, etc.) Now, you'll hear "Pro hormones suck, they gives you an empty wallet and no gains" I would agree with that if this were 1988. Things have changed, tiems and innovation have changed. You no longer pop 5 andro tabs before you lift and get a back full of acne and tits like my girlfriend. New topical (transdermal) delivery systems have been developed for better and more absorbtion. As for the price, a full 1-test/4-ad stack can be purchased for around $70, thats very cheap IMO. Some brands of pro hormones are a joke, and then you have your very reputable comanies, which include, Molecular Nutrition, BDC Nutrition, Avant Labs, Syntrax, Ergopharms and maybe one or 2 more. PHs can be, just as AAS, homebrewed fairly easily. At my board, anabolicminds.com, we specialize in homebrews of every kind (PHs, AAS, Fat burners, etc.) and have developed a recipe to make a 1-test/4-ad topical compound for very cheap and easy to make. This is a VERY brief and undetailed descritpion of what PHs are, how they work, etc. But if you want to learn more, read around here or visit anabolicminds. Thank you, YJ

you see, it was only a matter of time before he answered this for you kid. He's got like a pager beeping him anytime someone post's a proH thread, especially if it's going to be WAR....:2gunsfiri

[YellowJacket]

Originally posted by rude
yellowjacket, do prohormones stunt growth and with ph would be like test or anavar

Yes, they convert and can have comparable side effects as that of AAS, although in my experience and the tesitmonials from others, mild acne and mild lethargy are the only common ones.

[YellowJacket]

Originally posted by swolegreaser
bro just find a domestic and get urself a good cycle forget about prohormones, go with the real stuff. just my .02

Wow, and what an impressive 2 cents

Maybe you can link him to eBay, lots of great domestic sources for goods there, come on man. 1-test/4-AD IS the real stuff, whether anyone likes it or not.

[YellowJacket]

Originally posted by alittlewhiteboy
where is the best place to order some pro harmones?

Its pro hOrmones. And you can get them from 1fast400.com or Become a member at Anabolicminds and get a cheaper, more potent 1-test/4-ad product.

[swolegreaser]

yellow my .02 is from my experiance there buddy, u dont know me dont be talking shit.

[Jason15215]

WHat if you're a bit overwieght? Will the topical solutions like Test 1-ad get thru to the muscle, or will alot of it get caught and lost in the fatty cells? Could it be stacked with something "kinda" legal like Fina?

[Tricky]

I really wish I had more first hand possitive feedback, but I suppose YJ is more reputable then my mother. Shes huge too.

[YellowJacket]

Originally posted by swolegreaser
yellow my .02 is from my experiance there buddy, u dont know me dont be talking shit.

Oh no, a keyboard badass, look out

Sorry for your shitty experience, maybe you can share what product you uses at what dose for how long, what your diet was like (how far in a hypercaloric state you were in), what your training and sleep was like, etc. You can just tell people to find a domestic source 'buddy', use some logic.

[YellowJacket]

Originally posted by Jason15215
WHat if you're a bit overwieght? Will the topical solutions like Test 1-ad get thru to the muscle, or will alot of it get caught and lost in the fatty cells? Could it be stacked with something "kinda" legal like Fina?

1-ad isnt topical, its oral it converts to 1-test via the liver. 1-test is more often than not transdermal. If you're over 14% BF, I wouldnt recommend 1-test. But if you have highly vascular places on your body (ie. top of feet, back of knees, back of hands, etc.) then you're fine.

[swolegreaser]

bro listen u need to relax. i'm not by any means a keyboard bad ass, i've spent about 4 hrs today trying to help out on this board at work and give my truth of what I went through. I read the other prohormone thread and u did the same thing with someone else. everybody is entitled to an opionion if u dont like it u dont need to be a dick. just ask me what i did, what products etc....everybody's different "buddy"
What i said about domestic is what i think would be best for him and try out AS i didnt give any source or names to anybody. bro, u dont need to be bitter, just relax.

[YellowJacket]

Originally posted by swolegreaser
bro listen u need to relax. i'm not by any means a keyboard bad ass, i've spent about 4 hrs today trying to help out on this board at work and give my truth of what I went through. I read the other prohormone thread and u did the same thing with someone else. everybody is entitled to an opionion if u dont like it u dont need to be a dick. just ask me what i did, what products etc....everybody's different "buddy"

I do the samethings every time when someone makes an ignorant statement about how PHs are a waste of money and they suck, etc. IT gets old refuting people who still live in the 70s. People tend to spout of their mouths with no references, citations or data. Personal opinion accounts for about 1% of useful data. Science outweighs personal testimonials everytime. I apologize as Im not heated at all, Im simply tired of justifying others 'misleading statements'.

What i said about domestic is what i think would be best for him and try out AS i didnt give any source or names to anybody. bro, u dont need to be bitter, just relax.

What you would do? So you're going to give him a domestic source? Doubtful. This guy hasnt been around long enough to even come close to obtain an domestic source, thikn about that. So what does he do in the mean time? Why not give 1-test/4-ad a try and put on 10-15lbs of mass? Not bitter, and Im fully relaxed, but remember, not everyone has domestic sources. Im not even a PH user, Im a long time AAS user and still defend PHs from ignorance, I dont use creatine & I would defend its usefulness as well....

[swolegreaser]

I aint going to give him a domestic, I meant stick around and find one. If not yeah do some prohormones it works wonders for some but for me it didnt. I know that I didnt do it right I was young, but by all means I hope he does some prohormones he'll never know until he does it himself. THat's all, I'm kinda done urgueing it was nice tho.