damn reading bout the dbol bridge is cofusing !

[Juice Authority]

Here we go again.

Bobo - just address the following:

1) The amount of e2 from a low dose such as 10mg Dbol
2) The amount present in ~20hrs
3) The amount of e2 necessary to cause SIGNIFICANT supression

Once you provide data or studies that disprove Billy's notion and contradict his blood test results we can all then relish in the fact that you and Big Cat were right all along.

[Billy_Bathgate]

Originally posted by Juice Authority
Here we go again.

Bobo - just address the following:

1) The amount of e2 from a low dose such as 10mg Dbol
2) The amount present in ~20hrs
3) The amount of e2 necessary to cause SIGNIFICANT supression

Once you provide data or studies that disprove Billy's notion and contradict his blood test results we can all then relish in the fact that you and Big Cat were right all along.

Well put my friend. Thats all we need.

[John Benz]

A couple of superb threads!

I read both the dbol threads from beginning to end. Fine discussion on all sides, but Bobo and Big Cat have led in this debate from the very first page. I won't offer any additional input, as they have laid it all out for the simplest minds out there to comprehend. If they have to "dumb it down" so that Billy and Fonz can digest it all.....well, that's one reason I don't frequent this board.

In places, these threads were unintentionally hilarious. Fonz asks "Who ever heard of Big Cat?" and yet holds Ulter in high regard. Every time I read a post by Ulter, I laugh out loud. Bathgate, Bobo has handed you your ass on a platter. Call it a night before you embarass yourselves further.

[Fonz]

Originally posted by Billy_Bathgate
Well put my friend. Thats all we need.

The dball bridge was meant to be used WITH arimidex and HCG and Clomid AT THE SAME TIME.

It was an addition to MINIMIZE muscle loss.

Fonz

[BullFX]

im using the d bridge for my first time also... but i am injured and i can not train much either... so im hoping the ds help me to keep more ....

[Juice Authority]

Re: A couple of superb threads!

Originally posted by John Benz
I read both the dbol threads from beginning to end. Fine discussion on all sides, but Bobo and Big Cat have led in this debate from the very first page. I won't offer any additional input, as they have laid it all out for the simplest minds out there to comprehend. If they have to "dumb it down" so that Billy and Fonz can digest it all.....well, that's one reason I don't frequent this board.

In places, these threads were unintentionally hilarious. Fonz asks "Who ever heard of Big Cat?" and yet holds Ulter in high regard. Every time I read a post by Ulter, I laugh out loud. Bathgate, Bobo has handed you your ass on a platter. Call it a night before you embarass yourselves further.

If it were just Billy and Fonz shooting from the hip talking up their blood test results that would one thing. When scores of people who have actually done a D-bol bridge report that they've minimized post-cycle muscle loss that's another thing all together.

I too read through both posts in their entirety and ended up more confused than I was started. Big Cat and Bobo made plenty of references to the science and posted studies but the problem is that there has not been any conclusive findings where a study has been performed specific to this notion that refutes their claim. If you can post one I'm sure we can then bring this debate to a close.

I plan to use the D-bol bridge in addition to the post-cycle HPTA recovery regimen to hopefully minimize muscle loss.

Both Big Cat and Bobo are obviously very knowledgeable in AS but Big Cat on his own admission stated that he's a research scientist. Nothing takes the place of real live world experience and that seems to be where both Billy and Fonz are coming from.

[Billy_Bathgate]

Re: A couple of superb threads!

Originally posted by John Benz
I read both the dbol threads from beginning to end. Fine discussion on all sides, but Bobo and Big Cat have led in this debate from the very first page. I won't offer any additional input, as they have laid it all out for the simplest minds out there to comprehend. If they have to "dumb it down" so that Billy and Fonz can digest it all.....well, that's one reason I don't frequent this board.

In places, these threads were unintentionally hilarious. Fonz asks "Who ever heard of Big Cat?" and yet holds Ulter in high regard. Every time I read a post by Ulter, I laugh out loud. Bathgate, Bobo has handed you your ass on a platter. Call it a night before you embarass yourselves further.

Who the fuck are you? Show me were my ass was handed to me. Neither one have proved a fucking thing! Dumbass....

[jarrett80]

done to dbol bridges .. jsut keep it at 10mg ed you wont lose any weight i promise ..

[Billy_Bathgate]

Originally posted by Fonz
The dball bridge was meant to be used WITH arimidex and HCG and Clomid AT THE SAME TIME.

It was an addition to MINIMIZE muscle loss.

Fonz

Well ya, as I always do. Even with out it though, Id just like them to disporve by answer my 3 simple questions. I doubt they will though. So far all I have seen is them brag of their ego, and try their hardest to find a way to put me down (still waiting though).

[Billy_Bathgate]

Originally posted by Juice Authority
Here we go again.

Bobo - just address the following:

1) The amount of e2 from a low dose such as 10mg Dbol
2) The amount present in ~20hrs
3) The amount of e2 necessary to cause SIGNIFICANT supression

Once you provide data or studies that disprove Billy's notion and contradict his blood test results we can all then relish in the fact that you and Big Cat were right all along.

Lets keep these 3 questions fresh so BC or none of his fans miss it. ITs been 30 minutes btw BOBO...well I guess that means by your conjunction..you must not know the answer

[John Benz]

Re: Re: A couple of superb threads!

Originally posted by Billy_Bathgate
Show me were my ass was handed to me. Neither one have proved a fucking thing!

Who in the hell are you? Have you been asleep through the whole debate? Sheeeeze, kids?

[Billy_Bathgate]

Re: Re: Re: A couple of superb threads!

Originally posted by John Benz
Who in the hell are you? Have you been asleep through the whole debate? Sheeeeze, kids?

Well come on. If your so smart and want to tell us how I got my ass handed to me then show us. I never did. Nothing I have said has been proved wrong. LOL...way to make an ass out of yourself!

[rippedchef]

just curious-have BC and Bobo done a few cycles?-I hear lots of study quoting and I'm smarter than you crap but have these guys been post-cycle a few times to arrive at their opinions.I'm just curious-I personally give a damn what studies and scientists and doctors "think"-I'm the experiment,I'm taking the risks and I accept the outcome.Also the name calling and criticizing other MODs for their views, cussing and in general acting infantile really makes a couple of brilliant guys sound like idiots.Pity that class,integrity and manners aren't taught in those Phd classes-

[The REAL Bobo]

Re: Re: Re: Re: A couple of superb threads!

Originally posted by Billy_Bathgate
Well come on. If your so smart and want to tell us how I got my ass handed to me then show us. I never did. Nothing I have said has been proved wrong. LOL...way to make an ass out of yourself!

It hasn't? You didn't even know that the metabolites from D-Bol caused suppression! Then you posted a study from 1976 claiming it showed that D-bol didn't cause suppression when the Plasma Testosterone leves clearly showed it did! You only thought LH levels were a factor. You clealy showed you have absolutely no clue what your talking about until BC or I tell you about it. To answer your questions posted above I will help you deduce because as Fonz, BC, and I know, there are not studies using 10mg as a bridge. There is a reason for that too but obviously don't see it.

1. Since Anavar does not aromatize, E2 levels as a result are low. Its also a mild androgen yet considering all this it still suppresses HPTA function at 2.5mg. Now do you think E2 levels would be higher in 10mg of D-Bol?

2. Doesn't really matter since its half-life is 2 days.


3. Well the first point should help you out with that.



You know its funny how you guys ask for data and studies yet you have provided absolutely none on your part. Ok well maybe one which showed you clearly didn't read it and only looked at LH levels. BTW, that study showed no increase or performance with 100mg/day of D-Bol. Now if you believe that study, why would you use it anyway.

Talk about looking at things with blinders on....

[The REAL Bobo]

Originally posted by rippedchef
I personally give a damn what studies and scientists and doctors "think"-I'm the experiment,I'm taking the risks and I accept the outcome.

I think that about describes the attitude here. Screw science, we don't need it. It means nothing. I do what I want.



Good luck later in life when you will need it.