My problem with "waiting till you reach your genetic limit"

[prolangtum]

I hate these guys who act all Holier than thou, saying wait till you reach your geneic limit before you start AAS. Im not sayign start cycling when your 17, I wish id waited till i was 20, or even 19. But, how do you know when you reached your genetic limit? How do you not know its just a platuea? Or your training and/or diet is off. Can you really ever know? Is there a scientific formula? And i will not ever believe I shortchanged my gains by starting too earlier. Tell me how scientifically this is true. Any studies? I dotn think so. Now, im not saying start steroids when your 16 or after 1 year of training, but I hate when guys are like "I waited until i was 27 or 30" or whatever. You know why? More than likely they werent too serious about lifting when they were 19 or 20. I dont know what these guys want, a plaque or medal or something?

[dodgeee-O]

Preach on brotha!
Feel the same way...

[x|Fluid|x]

Im willing to bet 99% of this board didnt reach their genetic limit before they used gear.

[Josh]

I'm gonna say somthing that im gonna get flamed for- Cycling when you are 16 or 17 after 5 years of 6 day a week lifting with a athletic purpose EG college football is not somthing i am opposed to

[BigD]

I totally agree! I started a little after age 19, and if I could, I'd have started with a stronger and better cycle! I'd already set the american bench record in the novice teen division when I was 19, so I figured it was time to get big as well as strong Though, I do disagree with jumping into roids 3 weeks after you start lifting.

[Josh]

Big D i like ur quote

[Gearhead]

yea what about lowering body fat to like 10% before doing a cycle. Look at my stats below im making good gains as well as loosing fat. Hell we all know if you gain more muscle on your body you will need to eat more calories to keep it and your bmr goes up so if i keep my cals the same it make fat loss that much easier.

[hummerluv]

good post bro, also good post josh

[Drveejay11]

Originally posted by x|Fluid|x
Im willing to bet 99% of this board didnt reach their genetic limit before they used gear.

Yep!

[iamdwalrus]

Originally posted by x|Fluid|x
Im willing to bet 99% of this board didnt reach their genetic limit before they used gear.

You betcha bottom dollar they didn't! I think those guys that advocate waiting till you reach a genetic limit mean well. AAS are powerful drugs and if not carefull could lead to serious health problems. I think the reason most people don't wait to reach their genetic limit is because for them it will be a quick fix since for not having discipline to diet properly and train with utmost ferocity. Bodybuilding is a lifestyle for me, I don't need summer or spring break as an excuse to work hard and eat well. I'm not thumbing my nose down on this people, hell, I even help them when they PM me. But where's the dedication after the warm waether changes, I'm willing to bet to go backto their old routines until the next time they have to look good again. To each his own I guess.

[PIT]

I don't think you should have to reach your genetic potential, but come somwhere close,

The main reason for this is if you were not able to gain on your own with proper diet and training then you have no f%$cking business touching gear, Alot of people misuse gear because their lazy and or not intelligent enough to train and eat properly, They get on the juice make big gains, get off and loose half or more of the gains, Like walrus said It's a lifestyle, and If you know you are going to train for life than you look at things a whole lot different than -Well Im gonna do a cutting cycle right before spring break...Thats not long term goals.

[Skarn]

Originally posted by PIT
I don't think you should have to reach your genetic potential, but come somwhere close,

The main reason for this is if you were not able to gain on your own with proper diet and training then you have no f%$cking business touching gear, Alot of people misuse gear because their lazy and or not intelligent enough to train and eat properly, They get on the juice make big gains, get off and loose half or more of the gains, Like walrus said It's a lifestyle, and If you know you are going to train for life than you look at things a whole lot different than -Well Im gonna do a cutting cycle right before spring break...Thats not long term goals.

Rigt on Pit! I am one of those that waited till I was 35. And yes, I was a serious lifter staring when I joined the Army at age 17. Why did I wait? Because I could still gain! Simple as that. Too many younguns rush into AS just because it's the "simple and easy" way.

[Vtwin]

Most teenagers I see in the gym have no clue of what there doing or what proper training is. I 'm not saying that all teenagers are like this just most. They all are doing numerous sets and concentrating on minor muscle groups. You hardly ever see them doing heavy squats, deadlifts, benches, which leads me to believe that they do not know how to make their body grow. They could actually see major progress if they follow a simple and disciplned power lifting routine, then got proper nutrion and REST.

My experience with natural training is extensive both personaly as well as my son. He started training with a real pro last fall at sixteen, his stats were 5'11', 182, 7% bf, today he is 5'11", 198, 6% bf. He has a 295 bench, and a 450 squat, not sure what his deadlift is. He trained Mon weights, Wed polymetris for speed, and flexability, and Fri weights. He is being heavy recruited as a Div 1 football player as a junior. So it is possible to train naturally for several years before actually needing to jump to aas's.

[Billy_Bathgate]

Reaching your genetic potential is a Zenoch parable. It is impossible to ever reach, only a guess can be made.


I guarantee that ANYONE here who swears they are at their genetic potential and CANT gain any more at all...if they doubled their food intake for 1 month, they would gain more. Same with training, rest, etc, etc...

There is no limit.

[CJWolf]

I'm 100% against someone who is 16,17,18 ever starting gear.