tri tren

[Stout1]

Re: tri tren

see this is where we will have to dissagree. the ester's used with the tri tren are designed so between the 3 of them it will release the tren on an even level during a specific timeframe in this case 1 week so by doing your shots all at once each week to cover your total dosage requirement it should make for a more even level.
william llewellyn also agree's with this theory somewhat as well when describing it in his books when used for a bodybuilding specific usage. like i said, it is only a theory that i want to try. also considering people cant really agree anymore on how to properly use sustanon and they are similar i am not ready to give this product only 1 way to use it.
right now since this product is still fairly new it is up to speculation as to the best way to use it because there just is not enough experienced bro's who have used it and reported their experiences with it.
im also curious as to why you say it will give more even results if you inject it multiple times per week when it is designed to give an even release over a specific timeperiod so why would it not make sense to just inject once per that timeframe. and inject the total amount you want to use during the weekly timeperiod it is designed to release over??

Yes, you'll technically get a steady release of test with Sustanon with a one per week injection IF and I say IF your using it for hormone replacement therapy. That is what Sustanon was designed for, HRT, not BBer's.

It doesn't make sense to inject one time per week. Lets look at the esters in Sustanon and disect this further:

30mg Testosterone Propionate
60mg Testosterone Phenylpropionate
60mg Testosterone Isocaproate
100mg Testosterone Decanoate

Lets take the first two short esters...Propionate and Phenylpropionate.

Would you shoot your Prop cycle one time per week?

Would you shoot your nandrolone phenylpropionate one time per week? (different hormone with nandrolone but same ester so same shooting schedule)

If you shoot sustanon one time per week your losing out on ALOT of gear. Look at it like this.....

Propionate is good for two days.

Phenylpropionate is good for three days .

After day three we have NO more propionate or phenylpropionate being injected so we lose out on valuable gear.

So we will go with your one injection per week of 500mg/wk of Sustanon.

By day 3 we have lost ALOT of gear. You now have lost 60mg of Test from the Propionate and we have lost 120mg worth of Test from the Phenylpropionate as they are NOT being injected anymore and their active lives are up. So day 4, 5, 6, and 7 are all missing out on some gear by your injection theory. Yes there is test there but not OPTIMAL amounts. We are missing 180 out of 500mg of gear half way thru the week by this injection schedule as your shorting yourself on the short esters. Your forgetting that the prop and phenylprop are used up half way thru the week and if you dont' inject again then your losing out on gear. Thus the VALLEYS AND PEAKS we mentioned above. And I will agree YES you have test the whole week with one injection but it's a terrible idea to inject that way.

In total we have lost 180mg worth of Test by half way thru the week as we don't have any more fast acting test to "replace" the test we shot. All we have active is the slower acting esters, Isocoporate and Decanoate.

Let's go with just a two day a week shooting schedule for Sustanon (although I would reccomend a three day a week).

As I said above by day 4 we are OUT of Propioante and Phenylpropionate if we shoot the way you said. Lets take that idea and only shoot 1 amp on Monday. Then on Thursday we will shoot another one.

So now we have Monday with all four esters in effect.

We now have Tuesday with all four esters in effect.

Wednesday we lose out on the propionate but still have phenylprop.

Thursday we shoot again. Back in full swing again

Friday all four esters

Saturday all four esters

Sunday we lose out on propionate.

Monday repeat.

As you can see that is why I recommend a three day a week schedule but even a two day a week schedule is FAR superior to a one day a week shot.

There are a fast releasing hormone and fast leaving hormones. You have to plan your cycle and injection schedule around the shortest/fastest hormone your injecting. Failure to do so will cost you.

[Stout1]

Re: tri tren

^^^^^^^

[pincrusher]

Re: tri tren

i appreciate you breaking down sust for me but i wasnt planning on doing the once per week method with that product, i was going to do it with the tri-tren and they are very different. tri-tren has the following esters:
tren ace=50mg/ml
tren hex=50mg/ml
tren enathate=50mg/ml
when you look at there 3 tren products, the acetate ester will cover the first 2-3 days, the hex ester will cover the next couple and the tren enathate will cover ya the last couple days per week. this is based on which half life chart you use since their are quite a few that vary greatly from each other.
one other note is that i know many people who have successfully used sust once per week at a dosage of only 250mg which by your standards would not produce results and would be a waste but yet for many years sustanon was used like this. in the old days when sust was one of the few testosterone products readily available, many cycles were run either 1 injection per week or 2 injections if you were using 500mg per week instead of the 250mg amount.
it has only recently over the last few years became an issue regarding the usage of sustanon and this need to use it EOD. i feel a large part of this reason has to do with the fact that new users are relying way to heavily on the steroids to provide growth and are not using a proper bulking diet to go with their steroid usage. i have provided a link below that is proof that people use way to much gear than needed. we performed an experiment with a member of my messageboard where he went from using about 1gram per week of test to only 250mg per week (1injection per week) along with 200mg per week of deca and had great results which surprised him quite a bit. all we really did was tweak his diet and add a little protein for certain meals. please take a look at the link where everything is described and has a few pictures of the after affects

https://www.musclemaniax.com/forums/showthread.php?t=678

[Stout1]

Re: tri tren

i appreciate you breaking down sust for me but i wasnt planning on doing the once per week method with that product, i was going to do it with the tri-tren and they are very different. tri-tren has the following esters:
tren ace=50mg/ml
tren hex=50mg/ml
tren enathate=50mg/ml
when you look at there 3 tren products, the acetate ester will cover the first 2-3 days, the hex ester will cover the next couple and the tren enathate will cover ya the last couple days per week. this is based on which half life chart you use since their are quite a few that vary greatly from each other.
one other note is that i know many people who have successfully used sust once per week at a dosage of only 250mg which by your standards would not produce results and would be a waste but yet for many years sustanon was used like this. in the old days when sust was one of the few testosterone products readily available, many cycles were run either 1 injection per week or 2 injections if you were using 500mg per week instead of the 250mg amount.
it has only recently over the last few years became an issue regarding the usage of sustanon and this need to use it EOD. i feel a large part of this reason has to do with the fact that new users are relying way to heavily on the steroids to provide growth and are not using a proper bulking diet to go with their steroid usage. i have provided a link below that is proof that people use way to much gear than needed. we performed an experiment with a member of my messageboard where he went from using about 1gram per week of test to only 250mg per week (1injection per week) along with 200mg per week of deca and had great results which surprised him quite a bit. all we really did was tweak his diet and add a little protein for certain meals. please take a look at the link where everything is described and has a few pictures of the after affects
https://www.musclemaniax.com/forums/...read.php?t=678

How is it any different with the Tri-Tren than Sust?

Tren Ace is good for two days. You shoot say 300mg/wk of Tri-Tren all on one day. Tri Tren has 100mg of Tren Ace with a 2cc injection. You shoot Tri-tren all at one day then you lose out on 100mg of Tren by day three!!! That is 1/3 of the tren your using not in there by Day 3, Day 4, Day 5, Day 6, and Day 7! Why would you do that? It makes no sense?

I'm not going to touch any of the other. It should be a given to eat right, etc.

[pincrusher]

Re: tri tren

How is it any different with the Tri-Tren than Sust?

Tren Ace is good for two days. You shoot say 300mg/wk of Tri-Tren all on one day. Tri Tren has 100mg of Tren Ace with a 2cc injection. You shoot Tri-tren all at one day then you lose out on 100mg of Tren by day three!!! That is 1/3 of the tren your using not in there by Day 3, Day 4, Day 5, Day 6, and Day 7! Why would you do that? It makes no sense?

I'm not going to touch any of the other. It should be a given to eat right, etc.

you are only using the shortest ester for your example and making it seem like it is the only one in the product. what about the other 2 esters of tren, are they not getting used like you seem to incline to think?
days 1-3 the tren ace will get used, days 3-5 the tren hex will be used and days 5-7 the tren enth will get used so you have tren entering your system fairly evenly just like people seem to want.
using your way of thinking on day 3 if you inject more tri-tren you will see a spike as soon as the tren ace hits your system because you will also be starting to use the tren hex. why can you not see the light that if the product is designed to give an EVEN dispursement of tren over approximately 1 weeks time, would it not work if ya injected enough the first day of each week to get it to your desired bloodlevels for the week. oh well cant pursuade them all.
im done arguing this with ya cause you only are willing to see the usage of this product 1 way but unfortunately you will never know any other way. you have been fooled by others into thinking you have to use sust or tri-tren EOD when you do not!! if you do not want to use it any other way then thats fine with me but i prefer to use things every way possible where i will see a benefit!

[superdog]

Re: tri tren

you are only using the shortest ester for your example and making it seem like it is the only one in the product. what about the other 2 esters of tren, are they not getting used like you seem to incline to think?
days 1-3 the tren ace will get used, days 3-5 the tren hex will be used and days 5-7 the tren enth will get used so you have tren entering your system fairly evenly just like people seem to want.
using your way of thinking on day 3 if you inject more tri-tren you will see a spike as soon as the tren ace hits your system because you will also be starting to use the tren hex. why can you not see the light that if the product is designed to give an EVEN dispursement of tren over approximately 1 weeks time, would it not work if ya injected enough the first day of each week to get it to your desired bloodlevels for the week. oh well cant pursuade them all.
im done arguing this with ya cause you only are willing to see the usage of this product 1 way but unfortunately you will never know any other way. you have been fooled by others into thinking you have to use sust or tri-tren EOD when you do not!! if you do not want to use it any other way then thats fine with me but i prefer to use things every way possible where i will see a benefit!

Yeah, what he said.

[Stout1]

Re: tri tren

you are only using the shortest ester for your example and making it seem like it is the only one in the product. what about the other 2 esters of tren, are they not getting used like you seem to incline to think?
days 1-3 the tren ace will get used, days 3-5 the tren hex will be used and days 5-7 the tren enth will get used so you have tren entering your system fairly evenly just like people seem to want.

using your way of thinking on day 3 if you inject more tri-tren you will see a spike as soon as the tren ace hits your system because you will also be starting to use the tren hex. why can you not see the light that if the product is designed to give an EVEN dispursement of tren over approximately 1 weeks time, would it not work if ya injected enough the first day of each week to get it to your desired bloodlevels for the week. oh well cant pursuade them all.
im done arguing this with ya cause you only are willing to see the usage of this product 1 way but unfortunately you will never know any other way. you have been fooled by others into thinking you have to use sust or tri-tren EOD when you do not!! if you do not want to use it any other way then thats fine with me but i prefer to use things every way possible where i will see a benefit!

Full benefit? LOL

Your not reading what I wrote.

I said there will be tren in there, I never said there wouldn't be. But what I did say is there will NOT optimal levels. I am not talking about the other two esters because I know they are in there. But when you have a multi-estered compound you shoot your schedule based off the shortest ester. Your shortest ester is Tren Ace and you do NOT shoot Tren Ace one time a week to keep steady blood levels.

I take it you understand how esters work?

You shoot 2mL of tri-tren all at one day you lose out on 100mg of Tren A by day 3. Do you not? 100mg of Tren is gone by Day 3. Do we agree on this?

If you understand how esters work then I will say YES, you do agree with me that you do NOT have 100mg of Tren in there by Day 3, Day 4, Day 5, Day 6, and Day 7.

So how on earth can you sit here and say that your using it to full benefit? I just showed you that by your theory of one day a week shooting your NOT using it to full benefit.

Once again you keep mentioning the other esters and YES they pick up where the other one left off and I agree on this but your losing out on gear. Why woudl you shoot Tren A one time a week?

By your theory I take it you believe Sustanon should be shot one time a week too? They are different esters than Tri-Tren but same philosophy. And you do NOT shoot sustanon, or I should say SHOULD NOT shoot sustanon one time a week.

Read this article on Sustanon and it shows you the peaks and valleys shooting it Mon/Wed/Fri. Sustanon is a multi-ester blend just like Tri-tren. Yes the esters are different but theory is the same. Look at the peaks and valleys with a 3 day a week injection schedule and yoru recommending a one day week shot.

http://www.basskilleronline.com/sustanon250.shtml

[O2BESOHUGE]

Re: tri tren

STOUT YOU HIT IT ON THE HEAD...I COULDNT EXPLAIN IT ANY BETTER

[a-bomb83]

Re: tri tren

yeah pin, stout is correct in that to use it to its fullest benefit it must be administred more often than once per week.

BUT if you decide to try it this route, let us know how it goes. maybe start a log, see how/if it differs from ed or eod dosing, it would be interesting.

[Fit2bLarge]

Re: tri tren

stout, i dont think you can ignore the other esters in this equation

100mg will be 50% in 3 days - acetate
100mg will be 50% in 7 days - hex
100mg will be 50% in 10 days - enanthate

yes, the acetate will be 50% (half its life) in 3 days, but there's still TRENBOLONE in the system on days 4 - 10.

this is the math that needs to be done

putting half lives for each of the esters into the equation, calculate how much TRENBOLONE is in the blood stream. use these two scenerios

2 ml 150mg/ml tri-tren shot on sunday for 1 month

2 ml 150mg/ml 3 shots Monday, Wednesday and Friday at 0.66ml per shot for 1 month

how much trenbolone in the system in the blood stream on any given day after 4 weeks, this will give you base for both scenerios. any variation here will answer this question. i think you'll find very little difference to make a profound impact on the end result.

I'm not gonna argue shot frequency and "Optimal" drug performance, but I know MANY MANY bros, old and new school that shoot once per week for many many many years. Can someone here tell me that the old schooler thats been using test e and deca 1 shot per week will see a dramatic change if he switched to 2 days per week? doubt it.

[jamescb77]

Re: tri tren

i don't think you guys are looking at it the way that pin is and i agree with pin on this
you have to understand that in the first 1-3 days you are only using the ace ester and none of the others becuase they haven't started to take effect yet. it's just like if you shot test e you would start to see the benifits on the first day you have to wait to see them till later. what pin is saying is as one ester dies out the next ester hits it's "valuable" half life and kicks in so once a week would work assuming the esters do rise and fade together like there designed to

[pigmeat]

Re: tri tren

waste of money....just like sus. Not saying they are no good,.....just you can get more "bang for your buck" with a single ester

[superdog]

Re: tri tren

I think that the one thing that we all agree on is that STABLE blood levels of whatever hormone you happen to injecting is key. Considering that, I think sticking to Tren A or E would be best.

Considering the different esters involved you`d need a computerized spreadsheet to deterime the optimal injection schedule for Tri Tren.

[Fit2bLarge]

Re: tri tren

I think that the one thing that we all agree on is that STABLE blood levels of whatever hormone you happen to injecting is key. Considering that, I think sticking to Tren A or E would be best.

Considering the different esters involved you`d need a computerized spreadsheet to deterime the optimal injection schedule for Tri Tren.

here you go

http://www.fitnessgeared.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=60855