ideas for my next cycle ??

[minotaur]

My first cycle was sust at about 300 or 350mg a week for three months. I had bottles, not amps and broke it into injections every three days. I know it's a low amount but I actually went from 170lbs. to 180 and managed to keep almost all the weight (mostly muscle, but a little fat too). I waited about four months and then did my second cycle -- also just sust but this time I had the 250mg amps and I did one amp ever three days (=580mg/wk) for three months. My weight shot up to 190 a couple weeks into the cycle and I was getting great pumps, but I was not able to lift heavier weights, stayed about the same. After cycle I quickly returned to about 183lbs. So now I'm just waiting to get my body back to normal and planning out my next cycle. What do you guys think would be good for me?

[Skarhead]

Re: ideas for my next cycle ??

what are some of your #s on lifts? squat, DL etc?...

what are more of your stats too.. age, BF, height, etc...

[lord humongous]

Re: ideas for my next cycle ??

What are you looking for with this upcoming cycle. More mass and strength? I am a Huge believer in Test and Tren. Some may say Deca instead of the tren but Deca bloated me too much. Either will give you great strengths. As for mass I would say the Deca.

[minotaur]

Re: ideas for my next cycle ??

a general idea of what I'm lifting now with some basics.... my bench press is stuck at 205, squat is 275, lat pulldown 200, standing barbell military press 100, bent barbell row 155, bicep curl 80-90, deadlift 225-275 depending how I feel. I think my chest and shoulders need the most work; I don't think they're out of proportion but the poundages seem a bit light compared to my other exercises. chest in particular get fatigued quickly. I've tried different splits... working them less (1x every 9 days) thinking I needed more time to recover, more (2x every 8 days)... the weight's not moving! I'm off track, anyway, I didn't want to turn this into a training question. I'd like a basic cycle to assist me push me through this plateau.

I'm about 181-184lbs with 14%bf. at 191lbs my bf was about 12%.

I like sust only because I've done it, know how my body reacts to it. do you have ideas for what would be good add to the sust? or just use a more basic test?

[minotaur]

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oh yeah... my height is 5'11"

[Phreak]

Re: ideas for my next cycle ??

no offense bro, but if those are your stats then i would say you have a lot more work to do before resorting to anabolics, but i guess you've already moved in that direction.

before you do another cycle, you need to sort your diet out. you should have gained far more weight on 580mg a week of test... and your bodyfat should be at or preferably below 10% naturally.

i don't know if this is addressed in the stickys (i haven't read them), but a certain level of discipline is required to get the most out of anabolics while minimizing the risks. get that first and you will see much better results.

-now the part that you will most likely listen to-

400mg deca/wk- weeks 1-10
25mg winstrol/day- weeks 5-10

this will build lean mass and has a low occurence of side effects. the winny will limit water retention and help strength greatly. the deca will lubricate your joints and is a great all purpose mass builder.

you will need to take in 2mg or protein per lb. of lean bodyweight to get the most out of this regimen. once again it all comes back to your diet.

i would seriously suggest working that out first...

all IMO of course

[Skarhead]

Re: ideas for my next cycle ??

Ok yeah. I think you have some more natural work to do... The squat and dead lift should be way up and you could probably easily pack on 20 or so LBS by just getting your strengthw way up.

[minotaur]

Re: ideas for my next cycle ??

I think I maxed out on what I can do naturally. I was about 150lbs when I started training. I'm eating constantly and well. but the gains have stopped.

[O2BESOHUGE]

Re: ideas for my next cycle ??

CHANGE UP YOUR ROUTINE AND SHOCK YOUR SYSTEM, YOU STILL HAVE PLENTY OF ROOM TO GROW NATURALLY. GET YOUR TRAINING, DIET AND REST IN CHECK BEFORE CYCLING.

O2

[edvedr]

Re: ideas for my next cycle ??

no offense bro, but if those are your stats then i would say you have a lot more work to do before resorting to anabolics, but i guess you've already moved in that direction.

before you do another cycle, you need to sort your diet out. you should have gained far more weight on 580mg a week of test... and your bodyfat should be at or preferably below 10% naturally.

i don't know if this is addressed in the stickys (i haven't read them), but a certain level of discipline is required to get the most out of anabolics while minimizing the risks. get that first and you will see much better results.

-now the part that you will most likely listen to-

400mg deca/wk- weeks 1-10
25mg winstrol/day- weeks 5-10

this will build lean mass and has a low occurence of side effects. the winny will limit water retention and help strength greatly. the deca will lubricate your joints and is a great all purpose mass builder.

you will need to take in 2mg or protein per lb. of lean bodyweight to get the most out of this regimen. once again it all comes back to your diet.

i would seriously suggest working that out first...

all IMO of course

good post! i agree with nish. u def should have gained more with the cycles, and with only gaining what u did u should have kept all of it. ur problem is diet no doubt. not eating enough and prob not eating the right foods. eat eat eat. and when u come off now ur body has to get used to the new mass which will take some time since u don't have the extra hormones in ur body. so its even more important to keep those calories up when u come off. you can't maintain a 190lb body when ur eating like someone who is 180 or whatever. and you also said u gained some fat while only having a gain of 10lbs. this makes me think what you are eating is garbage. with a gain of only 10lbs it should have been all lean mass and if you ate properly you would most likely lose fat, not gain.

[geesler]

Re: ideas for my next cycle ??

^^ Good posts, anyone got a second to throw together an example diet to gain wt for him to go wt his next cycle?

[Skarhead]

Re: ideas for my next cycle ??

I think he needs to lift heavier weight to grow as well

[Phreak]

Re: ideas for my next cycle ??

^^ Good posts, anyone got a second to throw together an example diet to gain wt for him to go wt his next cycle?

here's one i've been on for a while now, pretty much the same every day

7:00- 10 jumbo egg whites; 1 yolk
1 multigrain english muffin
1 bowl wheaties
16 oz. cranberry juice
1 gram vitamin C
200 mg vitamin B6

9:30- 1 cup brown rice
7.5 oz albacore tuna
4 tablespoons extra virgin (first cold press) olive oil
2 tablespoons balsamic vinegar

11:30- 1/4 lb. turkey sandwich
1/4 lb. turkey
2 pieces rye bread
1 piece baby swiss
mustard
banana peppers
alfalfa sprouts

1 cup baby carrots

1:30- pure protein bar
1/4 gal skim milk

3:30- 1/4 lb. turkey sandwich
1/4 lb. turkey
2 pieces rye bread
1 piece baby swiss
mustard
banana peppers
alfalfa sprouts

1 cup baby carrots
200mg vitamin B6

6:00- 3/4 lb. chicken breasts
vegetable medley
1 cup brown rice
mixed greens

8:30- train (drink sugar free red bull)

9:30- protein shake with 2 cups skim milk + banana

11:00- 7.5 oz albacore tuna
4 tablespoons extra virgin (first cold press) olive oil
2 tablespoons balsamic vinegar
200mg vitamin B6
1 gram vitamin C

2 gals water throughout the day

no idea how many cals this is... but i am gaining weight while staying lean

[edvedr]

Re: ideas for my next cycle ??

this is what i eat.
protein: tuna, pork, low fat low sodium cottage cheese, flank steak or eye round, shrimp, swordfish and other fishes. sometime i eat low fat low sodium deli ham in a sandwhich with no fat cheese

carbs: granola, whole grain brown rice, whole wheat pasta, oatmeal, and certain whole grain breads. gotta be careful with breads cause alot are misleading, so u need to read label

fats: other than what comes from meat its flax oil or natural almond or cashew butter

veggies: brocc or salad. also i snack on cucumbers soaked in apple cider vinegar

shakes i use a protein blend, but since i am shedding BF i try and only have shakes if i can't eat. when i start trying to gain again i will add fruit for snacks and will eat lot of banana/ cashew butter sandwhiches

the ratios i've been using lately is 35% protein, 55% carbs and 10% fat. i've tried alot of ratios and this seems best for me. calories are adjusted to my goals and current bf%.

[bowbow]

Re: ideas for my next cycle ??

Did you do any type of pct following your cycles because you didn't mention any and you said you lost your gains immediatly after your cycle?? That could have something to do with it. I see no mention of it so far.