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**HungarianBeast** · 05-02-2005, 04:25 PM

Re: Where to go next with my training?

Too complicated for me. I like:
75mg adrol ed weeks 1-6
Test E 750mg ew
EQ 500mg ew.

**lsu777** · 05-02-2005, 04:43 PM

Re: Where to go next with my training?

I say drop the drol and Keep it simple. I would run
test E-750mg/week
EQ- 500mg/week
Tren E-300mg/week last 6-8 weeks.

There is no need to to front load since your already doing 14 weeks. You will have plenty of time to grow.

**MaxSwells** · 05-02-2005, 06:14 PM

Re: Where to go next with my training?

^^^ I did Sus/EQ/TREN E last time around, it was good...

**muscle_n_blood** · 05-02-2005, 06:57 PM

Re: Where to go next with my training?

Originally posted by HungarianBeast

Too complicated for me. I like:
75mg adrol ed weeks 1-6
Test E 750mg ew
EQ 500mg ew.

I like this plan. control your diet and you will control your bloat. Eat plenty. Eat Clean. I don't think you need slin or gh yet to gain plenty of size.

**MaxSwells** · 05-02-2005, 09:19 PM

Re: Where to go next with my training?

Curious...I've observed a lot of bros giving the same advice to not just me but others about the use of slin or gh...like it's too early for you, you're not ready...things like that...what is the reasoning behind this I wonder...say at 750test/500eq I cant really gain LBM beyond the 205# range, so if I do not want to increase those dosages why not use a synnergy of aas? I've ran Jinos @ 4iu ED for 3 months...all it did was really just solidify the gains, where you have a permanent base that you wont loose no matter what...if certain drugs get you to your goal quicker or take you there period, I cannot agree when someone says that you shouldn't use gh or slin...if someone who competes takes off for 6 months or a year, I am sure that once they are ready to get back into it, they will use a wide variety of drug combinations to get them there, they know what works best for them...also, if you look at my picture, I don't look as full for several reasons (although if you consider that this was taken on the morning after a loooong night of partying w/ no sleep/food & w/ no warmup, it all fills out once I get the blood flowin'...trust me the 200# looks big on me), but if you consider this as my starting point, I am not sure I can agree that I cannot throw in gh or slin, I think that this will take me to 215# solid @6-7%BF, where I want to be, with minimal sideeffects...
I do appreciate all the responses & critisizm, this is what is going to determine my next move and mindset...

**muscle_n_blood** · 05-02-2005, 09:48 PM

Re: Where to go next with my training?

Have you ever run drol before? If you cant get the gains you want on drol, eq, and test at those doseages, something is wrong. You are still young. You have a great physique, and potential to grow a lot more, if you want. You can run GH and slin if you want, if you do it right, but you aren't going to grow much more or be more soild at cycle end. (by the way, there are no permanent gains that you can't lose no matter what). The look you want but don't have yet muscle maturity. That takes a lot of years of training. No AAS can give it to you, neither can slin, GH, Igf, or anything else but years of consistent training. That is what so many young guys are after when they stack a lot of stuff up, IMO. You will do well to go ahead gain size and strength, stay lean and healthy, and enjoy the process. You will acheive the hard, detailed look in time. Only then will slin and GH take your physique to the next level.

**Skarhead** · 05-02-2005, 10:01 PM

Re: Where to go next with my training?

Originally posted by MaxSwells

Curious...I've observed a lot of bros giving the same advice to not just me but others about the use of slin or gh...like it's too early for you, you're not ready...things like that...what is the reasoning behind this I wonder...say at 750test/500eq I cant really gain LBM beyond the 205# range, so if I do not want to increase those dosages why not use a synnergy of aas? I've ran Jinos @ 4iu ED for 3 months...all it did was really just solidify the gains, where you have a permanent base that you wont loose no matter what...if certain drugs get you to your goal quicker or take you there period, I cannot agree when someone says that you shouldn't use gh or slin...if someone who competes takes off for 6 months or a year, I am sure that once they are ready to get back into it, they will use a wide variety of drug combinations to get them there, they know what works best for them...also, if you look at my picture, I don't look as full for several reasons (although if you consider that this was taken on the morning after a loooong night of partying w/ no sleep/food & w/ no warmup, it all fills out once I get the blood flowin'...trust me the 200# looks big on me), but if you consider this as my starting point, I am not sure I can agree that I cannot throw in gh or slin, I think that this will take me to 215# solid @6-7%BF, where I want to be, with minimal sideeffects...
I do appreciate all the responses & critisizm, this is what is going to determine my next move and mindset...

Im w/ you bro. I think once ur using gear you can use igf/gh/slin as well... especially for PCT purposes...I do think most people use AAS too early though. I know I did.. I only gained 40 LBS naturally. I really wish I stayed natty for at least 10-15 more LBs

oh btw... i think HBs cycle outline is the best... simple and it'll work! pps.. nice physique... 2155 @ 6-7 is a goal of mine as wel!

**MaxSwells** · 05-02-2005, 10:07 PM

Re: Where to go next with my training?

^^^thanx bro...yes I do believe this as well, because I do have an inside track of knowing my stats what works and what doesnt w/ my body, but the simple approach sounds good, so I might as well do that first, I can always spend my g's on gh a little later..hehe

**MaxSwells** · 05-02-2005, 10:11 PM

Re: Where to go next with my training?

ok that makes sense...muscle maturity is what I was talking about when I mentioned permanent growth...but you get the point, as do I...yes I have tried anadrol before, and liked it, but I hate orals, so I will not run it for long...I will keep it simple like u guys suggest...

Originally posted by muscle_n_blood

Have you ever run drol before? If you cant get the gains you want on drol, eq, and test at those doseages, something is wrong. You are still young. You have a great physique, and potential to grow a lot more, if you want. You can run GH and slin if you want, if you do it right, but you aren't going to grow much more or be more soild at cycle end. (by the way, there are no permanent gains that you can't lose no matter what). The look you want but don't have yet muscle maturity. That takes a lot of years of training. No AAS can give it to you, neither can slin, GH, Igf, or anything else but years of consistent training. That is what so many young guys are after when they stack a lot of stuff up, IMO. You will do well to go ahead gain size and strength, stay lean and healthy, and enjoy the process. You will acheive the hard, detailed look in time. Only then will slin and GH take your physique to the next level.

**HungarianBeast** · 05-03-2005, 07:51 AM

Re: Where to go next with my training?

Originally posted by MaxSwells

...say at 750test/500eq I cant really gain LBM beyond the 205# range, so if I do not want to increase those dosages why not use a synnergy of aas? ...

If this is the case, then there are issues with your diet/training/rest. 750test and 500eq per week is a lot, and then you add adrol... that is a tremendous cycle. If you want to bulk you can not be scared of putting on fat. If you do worry about it and start slacking on the diet, you will not grow.

BTW...I will be running 750cyp/500eq/75adrol this fall and I will be up in the 240#+ area.

**ssgeek** · 05-03-2005, 08:36 AM

Re: Where to go next with my training?

Originally posted by HungarianBeast

If this is the case, then there are issues with your diet/training/rest. 750test and 500eq per week is a lot, and then you add adrol... that is a tremendous cycle. If you want to bulk you can not be scared of putting on fat. If you do worry about it and start slacking on the diet, you will not grow.

BTW...I will be running 750cyp/500eq/75adrol this fall and I will be up in the 240#+ area.

Couldn't agree more - eat, eat ,eat!!!

You're pretty lean, right now, I'd take HB's advice and not worry about getting fat. If you're bulking, you WILL gain SOME fat, unless you're some kind of genetic freak. For most of us, a little fat gain while bulking is a fact of life, just as losing some degree of muscle is a fact of life while cutting.

If you want to try something new with regards to training, try doggcrapp.

Just a moment...

http://www.intensemuscle.com/showthread.php?t=4944

Not for the faint of heart, however.

**Skarhead** · 05-03-2005, 09:04 AM

Re: Where to go next with my training?

Originally posted by HungarianBeast

If this is the case, then there are issues with your diet/training/rest. 750test and 500eq per week is a lot, and then you add adrol... that is a tremendous cycle. If you want to bulk you can not be scared of putting on fat. If you do worry about it and start slacking on the diet, you will not grow.

BTW...I will be running 750cyp/500eq/75adrol this fall and I will be up in the 240#+ area.

shit this is like the 3rd time in the row me and HB agree.. crazy.. 750 test should make you grow alone at 205! try altering ur diet!

**MaxSwells** · 05-03-2005, 09:19 AM

Re: Where to go next with my training?

Yeah I try to eat superclean. Ok, then sounds good to me...75drol/750testE/500EQ it is then for 12weeks. Great advice guys, thanks...

**MaxSwells** · 05-03-2005, 09:29 AM

Re: Where to go next with my training?

Thats a good read.

Originally posted by ssgeek

Couldn't agree more - eat, eat ,eat!!!

You're pretty lean, right now, I'd take HB's advice and not worry about getting fat. If you're bulking, you WILL gain SOME fat, unless you're some kind of genetic freak. For most of us, a little fat gain while bulking is a fact of life, just as losing some degree of muscle is a fact of life while cutting.

If you want to try something new with regards to training, try doggcrapp.

http://www.intensemuscle.com/showthread.php?t=4944

Not for the faint of heart, however.

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