Next cycle

[jigga]

Ok, first a little feed back.

I'm 6'0 220 38' waist. This is goign to be my 3rd cycle.

First cycle I Did not do PCT. Diet was perfect. Went from 6'0 185 to 205. Kept most of my gains. Best shape of my life. This was Jan 2003.

I had surgery summer 2003 and was out of commission for 6-7 months. I gained a ton of fat and my waist got huge.

I rushed my 2nd cycle (same exact as 1st) since it w as taking me so long to get back into shape. I was depressed at the time and started drinking during cycle as well as not eating well. THe good news was my strength got back to normal, bad news was the gains were not good gains. I still looked to thick and didn't do PCT again as I thought well it worked once why not work again. I was at 6' 225

That cycle ended in June 2004 and well I haven't been the same since. My nuts were shriveled bad and was depressed for a long time. I lost a lot of my gains and believe I was shut off for a while since I didn't have the energy to lift or what not. I finally took clomid about 4 or 5 weeks too late and well it helped me feel a little better.

Right now I still suffer from testicular atrophy. I didn't take tetris tribulus yet as many had adviced because I don't think it is going to help.

I've been training hard again recently started taking hydroxcut and been doing cardio 3-4 times a week. I plan to keep this up for about 2 more weeks then hit with NO2 and up my food intake. I will still do cardio 3-4 times a week as I am not looking for mass gains, but more to get my mass back into shape.

I plan in about a month or so from now to take a cycle"

GOals of my cycle are not to bulk but rather to:

1) cure my nuts.
2) cut my fat
3) gain athletic advantage

I plan to do a simple and short cycle, nothing out of the ordinary for right now until I get everything squared away first.

wks1-8 Test Depot 200-400 mgs per week
HGC during the cycle
Clen???
Clomid post cycle.


What do you guys think?? I need MAJOR feedback according to my personal situation and my goals of my cycle.

[prolangtum]

Re: Next cycle

Weeks 1-10 500mgs of Test per week (split into 2 injects)
Weeks 5-10 500ius of hcg e4d
Weeks 11-12 500ius of hcg eod and 10mgs nolva ed
Week 13 100mgs, 80mgs, 80mgs, 60mgs, 60mgs, 60mgs
Week 14 40mgs ed
Week 15 20mgs ed
Week 16 10 mgs, 10mgs, 10mgs

I gave you a more extensive longer PCT because of your situtation.

[edvedr]

Re: Next cycle

imo i don't think ur next cycle should be on ur mind. if i were u i would wait till ur boys are back completely. if u cycle again its gonna be a hard recovery AGAIN. at least go get some blood work done first. ur test level is gonna be low and u don't even know how everything else was effected in ur body. plus if ur body is not back to full strength and u add juice ur just asking for an injury. then ur gonna be out of commission AGAIN!!

[SMILEY FACE]

Re: Next cycle

Weeks 1-10 500mgs of Test per week (split into 2 injects)
Weeks 5-10 500ius of hcg e4d
Weeks 11-12 500ius of hcg eod and 10mgs nolva ed
Week 13 100mgs, 80mgs, 80mgs, 60mgs, 60mgs, 60mgs
Week 14 40mgs ed
Week 15 20mgs ed
Week 16 10 mgs, 10mgs, 10mgs

I gave you a more extensive longer PCT because of your situtation.

i like his cycle but drop spme clen for the fat as well

[SMILEY FACE]

Re: Next cycle

imo i don't think ur next cycle should be on ur mind. if i were u i would wait till ur boys are back completely. if u cycle again its gonna be a hard recovery AGAIN. at least go get some blood work done first. ur test level is gonna be low and u don't even know how everything else was effected in ur body. plus if ur body is not back to full strength and u add juice ur just asking for an injury. then ur gonna be out of commission AGAIN!!

i agree wt ED as well

[prolangtum]

Re: Next cycle

To get going again, one option would be to run 500ius of hcg eod for 4 weeks, along with nolvadex at 60mgs ed, and tapering down the last week. Then get some blood work done to find test levels.

[jigga]

Re: Next cycle

My test levels were ok when I got them checked during the summer. The doctor was hesitant to check them but I told her that I had taken creatine, No2, and other products together and I just wanted to make sure everything was ok.

I can't remember but I believe I got the tests done as I was taking Clomid??


So what should I do fellas. I've been training hard and probably going to do so for another month or two, with some NO2 to get the muscles used to rapid growth before I cycle.


It's been 6 or 7 months already and no progress with my boys!!! I'm depressed as fuck over this and I need a change now.


What if I run the test and hgc until the end of my cycle, then proceed with Clomid....and Tetris tribulus the last week of Clomid and probalby another couple weeks. Think my boys will be back and my fat cut down!???


I appreciate the responses, the more the merrier.

[jigga]

Re: Next cycle

Oh by the way...

How come you recommend Nolvadex instead of Clomid?


And prolangtum...are you suggesting that I run HGC and nolva without any test? Just a cycle of that by itself? I've never heard of such a thing...

[weihunglow]

Re: Next cycle

PERSONALLY I WOULD RECOMMEND U GET YOUR BOYS IN ORDER,
WITH 1000IU OF HCG EOD 3X A WEEK FOR 3 WEEKS, AND FINISH
WITH CLOMID 50MG 6X DAY FOR 2 MORE WEEKS, GET BLOOD WORK
DONE , AND DROP THE HYDROXYCUT AND NO2 FOR WINNY CLEN,
AND CHOICE OF TEST SHOULD BE PROPIONATE. GOOD LUCK BRO.

[edvedr]

Re: Next cycle

run them both together. phantom brought up a good point in that the moodyness associated with clomid might actually be due to elevated estrogen seeing that clomid sucks as an anti-e. not the clomid itself. add nolva and that takes care out that. i would run them both

[prolangtum]

Re: Next cycle

Oh by the way...

How come you recommend Nolvadex instead of Clomid?


And prolangtum...are you suggesting that I run HGC and nolva without any test? Just a cycle of that by itself? I've never heard of such a thing...

yes thats just to recover your natural test. You could combine nolva and clomid 40/50 mgs respectively. Give yourself another 4 weeks after that, then run planned cycle.

[mick-G]

Re: Next cycle

Standard HCG treatment is 1000IU three to four times wk. I would seriously seek an endrocronoligist advice first before starting a cycle. He will prob do some blood tests and then put you on treatment.

[jigga]

Re: Next cycle

Ok here is what I'm thinking.


Short cycle light cycle

Test Depot 300 mgs week (1.5 cc per shot once a week).

1-8 Test depot 300 mgs week
4-8 500ius twice a week
9 500ius Mon, Tues, Thurs, Sat
10 100 ius Mon, 80 Tues, 60 Thurs
11-14 Clomid 300 day 1, 2-11 100mgs, 12-21 50 mgs
15- 16 Tetris Tribulus


Think this could cure my balls I'm praying fellas

[badasz32]

Re: Next cycle

how about get your boys back with
500Ius e3d for 3 weeks
then clomid 200mg day1, 100mg day 2-12, then 50mg day 13-21
then nolva 40mg day1-10, 20mg day 11-21,
start tribulis after this and rest for a month then run your cycle

[skeer126]

Re: Next cycle

hey one cycle that i am about to try that i read about is called phase cycling.....heavy androgens for no more than 4 weeks then start to taper down to low androgenic very anabolic substance...this must be timed very precisely.....this is due to the fact that once androgens r introduced in the body starts to werk against itself(catabolize). one major hormone that is put out is cortisol which is very catabolic...if u figure out the esters in ure juice and time it precisely to take an anti cortisol such as remeron u can counteract these effects...u cant do this for too long because like eveything ure body will adapt..while ure doing this(right after ure androgenic phase...u do ure absolute anabolic phase i would prefer to take anabolic substances such as slin,gh igf-1 or pgf2a alone or in some combination depending on finacial situation and most importantly if ure source has these things to keep packing on the mass...of course after the juice u will need to take such things as liquidex or nolva for estrogen and clomid post cycle...then the best part is since u were in and out on everything u can start the cycle all over again....i will be posting a well written explanation along with some examples
-skeer