Next cycle

[skeer126]

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sory guys...wong post...supposed to be in "how long" post

[edvedr]

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Ok here is what I'm thinking.


Short cycle light cycle

Test Depot 300 mgs week (1.5 cc per shot once a week).

1-8 Test depot 300 mgs week
4-8 500ius twice a week
9 500ius Mon, Tues, Thurs, Sat
10 100 ius Mon, 80 Tues, 60 Thurs
11-14 Clomid 300 day 1, 2-11 100mgs, 12-21 50 mgs
15- 16 Tetris Tribulus


Think this could cure my balls I'm praying fellas

lol take the test out of there. i know u want it in ur body so bad but just worry about gettin ur body back to normal

[mick-G]

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Bro listen, if you been shut down and still have athropy, you really need to go to an endro, get your test levels checked, and he will advise on treatment. Last thing you need is to go on a cycle right now.

[jigga]

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Mick- G,

You don't think I can cure my problem by running 500Ius eod for 2 wks, then e3d for the last week.

Then proceed the following week with Clomid and Nolvadex together.

Let's say

I start in 3 weeks...
weeks 1/2 500IUS hcg eod
week 3 500IUS hcg e3d
week 4 day 1 Clomid 300 mgs day 2-11 clomid100 mgs + nolva 40 mgs
then finish up with days 12-21 50 mgs of clomid and 20 mgs of nolva

basically what badasz said. Then I'll take tetris tribulus 5000mgs a day ( is that the correct dosage ?? for tetris tribulus) If so..where do I find a product with that much per serving, I bought tetris tribulus from gnc and itw as only like 625 mgs per tablet.

Anyways...Run that cycle basically how badasz said to do,

then wiat a month and see how myboys are coming along.

What's your opinion on running that cycle instead of jumping rihgt into test cycle.

Think it will fix my problem?

[mick-G]

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Let me get back to you this evening 8pm est, i have to run seriously.

[jigga]

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No problem Mick, take your time but please get back at me.


I need help fellas, and you guys are the best help I can get. Any feedback or opinions are warranted.

[mick-G]

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Ok, im back, lol! Anyway, when i went to an endrocrinologist last yr. he first ran an exam and drawed up blood for a few tests; a blood pannel, metobolic, and free testosterone pannel. I found out that i had low test in the blood. He showed me in his medical book and it stated for male atrophy and hypogonadism 2-3,000IU three to four times a wk. So I did it 2,000IU three times a wk and i did it for two months. You can experiement, but if you've been having atrophy this long, it is best to see an M.D. in Reproductive Endocrinoloy and infertility. They usually have M.D.'s that specialize in this at you local major hospitals, or ask your family Dr. Here is an excerpt from Dr. Raj:.... "Hyperprolactinemia or Postpubertal Gonadotropin Deficiency - Gonadotropin shortage in a sexually mature man usually is the result of a pituitary tumor, which influences the secretion of the gonadotropins LH and FSH. A tumor, whether small (microadenoma; less than 10 mm) or large (macroadenoma; greater than 10 mm), may cause excess secretion of prolactin, a hormone produced by the front of the pituitary. Affected men may experience a loss of libido (sexual desire), reduced potency, gynecomastia (overdevelopment of the male breasts), galactorrhea (spontaneous milk flow), and altered sperm production. Also, they may produce particularly small amounts of ejaculate, due to abnormal function of the Leydig cells (testosterone-producing cells) within the testes. In addition, pituitary insufficiency can result from other, less common factors such as pituitary damage from surgery or radiation.
The signs of postpubertal gonadotropin deficiency may arise years before any other symptoms of pituitary tumor (i.e., headache, changes in the visual field, or low levels of thyroid and adrenal hormones) . If the pituitary tumor is long-standing (5 to 10 years), the patient eventually may begin to lose secondary sex characteristics, and the testes may become small, soft and atrophied (shrunken). Blood testosterone level will be below normal, gonadotropin levels will be low/low-normal, and testis biopsy will show a lack of mature Leydig cells. In addition, men with postpubertal gonadotropism may have below-normal blood levels of corticosteroids, thyroid-stimulating hormone (TSH), and growth hormone.
Men with suspected tumors should undergo scanning by CT (computerized tomography) or MRI (magnetic resonance imaging), and they should undergo functional laboratory testing of the anterior pituitary, thyroid and kidney. Since prolactin release is governed by the catecholamine dopamine, the dopamine-like medication bromocriptine will reduce prolactin levels and restore normal gonadal function in men with prolactin-secreting tumors (see also Drug Therapy). The customary therapeutic dose is 5-10 mg daily." Now Im not saying or trying to scare you into thinking you have a tumor, as its probably the cycle you did last (btw what were you doing aas wise), but at least if you get an exam and have your blood tested you'll really know whats going on, and if they find your blood is low in testosterone the endro will prob put you on treatment of HCG or possibly Pergonol, and you will get a valid script for it. Anyway, go to www.drrajmd.com, even if it doesn't give you your answers, it is a very informative site. If you don't have insurance or the $ to see an endro. I would definately go for at least 2,000IU three times a wk for a month and if you don't see results go another month and maybe increase to 3,000IU. Here is a pic of Organon's HCG insert on dosage which i have posted before.

[jigga]

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your my man mick-g.

Ok...

you say 2,000 IU...does that mean 2,000 IU per day 3 times a week for 3 weeks, or should i break it down to 500IU for instance Mon, Wed, Fri, Sat equalling 2,000IU???




Anyways


I appreciate everyone's advice...

I'm going to cycle HCG with nolva and clomid after and see if that works, if not I'm going to jump back on Test with HCG repeat with clomid.

If all else fails then I'll go see a doctor.


Wish me luck my brothers.

[prolangtum]

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I wouldnt take more than 500 ius eod, more can lead to desnsitization and gyno.

[mick-G]

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The endro had me take it 2,000 IU at a time for a total of 6,000IU a wk, so it is 2,000 a shot at a time, three times a wk, for four wks and continue treatment if necessary. You do not split the 2000IU into 500IU's for 2000iu a wk. Sorry but this is what an endocrinologist treatment was. It will not desencitize or cause gyno you are misinformed. Trust me i know what im talking about and i have been thru treatment. This is not to be run with a cycle. It is only for atrophy and low test in the blood in the adult male. Actually, the Dr. wanted me to take 3-4KIU three times a wk, but i would be going thru 10k iu a wk. I used Pregnyl by Organon USA and it comes in 10,000IU multi dosage vial with powder,and i did 2ml an inject. So you will need at least two vials of it. Trust me it will do the trick.

[mick-G]

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Iam not contradicting what many bros have done for atrophy for testicular shrinkage, but in your case I would use at least 2000IU per inject three times a wk for at least a course of 4wks. It would also help to know what you were using in the cycle previous to atrophy and length of cycle. Also your age is an important factor. Also headache and fatiuge are also signs of gonadism and atrophy. I do not discount taking 500IU split if you were doing it in a cycle to help, or also after if done after cycle, but before pct, but in your case it sounds like you have acute atrophy with long standing gonadism. This is why i ask you first if you can to see specialist dr.(endro), as you may have low test in blood or possible something else going on. It is wise to seek a Dr. first for a few tests, exam, and a consult, to clear your mind and to make sure you are in balance with normal levels, especially if you are thinking about starting a cycle soon. Here is a pic of what i use and used during treatment. If i can find medical literature on dosage of acute atrophy and gonadism, i will post it later.

[mick-G]

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PREGNYL
Human chorionic gonadotrophin (hCG) injection - 500i.u., 1500i.u., 5000 i.u.
Presentation
PREGNYL 500 i.u. - an ampoule containing a white to almost white dry cake or powder, the powder being composed of 500 i.u. freeze-dried hCG. The solvent ampoule contains 1ml sodium chloride 9mg/ml. The final solution of dissolved hCG is clear and practically free from particles with a pH of 6.0-7.0.

PREGNYL 1500 i.u. - an ampoule containing a white to almost white dry cake or powder, the powder being composed of 1500 i.u. freeze-dried hCG. The solvent ampoule contains 1ml sodium chloride 9mg/ml. The final solution of dissolved hCG is clear and practically free from particles with a pH of 6.0-7.0.

PREGNYL 5000 i.u. - an ampoule containing a white to almost white dry cake or powder, the powder being composed of 5000 i.u. freeze-dried hCG. The solvent ampoule contains 1ml sodium chloride 9mg/ml. The final solution of dissolved hCG is clear and practically free from particles with a pH of 6.0-7.0.

Uses
Actions
PREGNYL contains hCG which has LH activity. LH is indispensible in normal female and male gamete growth and maturation, and gonadal steroid production.

In the female
PREGNYL is given as a substitute for the endogenous mid-cycle LH surge to induce the final phase of follicular maturation, leading to ovulation. PREGNYL is also given as a substitute for endogenous LH during the luteal phase.

In the male
PREGNYL is given to stimulate Leydig cells to promote the production of testosterone.

Pharmacokinetics
Maximal hCG plasma levels will be reached in males approximately six hours after a single IM or SC injection of hCG, and in females after approximately 20 hours. Although high intersubject variability was observed, the difference related to gender after IM injection may be caused by gluteal fat thickness in women which exceeds that in men. hCG is approximately 80 per cent metabolized, predominantly in the kidneys. IM and SC administration of hCG were found to be bioequivalent regarding the extent of absorption and the apparent elimination half-lives of approximately 33 hours. On the basis of the recommended dose regimens and elimination half-life, accumulation does not occur.

Indications
In the female
Ovulation induction in subfertility due to anovulation or impaired follicle-ripening.
Preparation of follicles for puncture in controlled ovarian hyperstimulation programmes (for medically assisted reproductive techniques).
Luteal phase support.
In the male
Hypogonadotropic hypogonadism (also cases of idiopathic dysspermias have shown a positive response to gonadotropins).
Delayed puberty associated with insufficient gonadotropic pituitary function.
Cryptorchidism, not due to anatomical obstruction.
Dosage And Administration
Dosage In The Female
Ovulation induction and preparation of follicles for puncture
Usually, one injection of 5,000-10,000 I.U. PREGNYL to complete treatment with an FSH-containing preparation.

Luteal phase support
Two to three repeat injections of 1,000 to 3,000 I.U. each may be given within nine days following ovulation or embryo transfer (for example, on day 3, 6 and 9 after ovulation induction).

Dosage In The Male
Hypogonadotropic hypogonadism
1,000-2,000 I.U. PREGNYL, two to three times per week. If the main complaint is substerility, additional doses of an FSH-containing preparation (75 I.U. FSH) daily or two to three times per week, may be given. This treatment should be continued for at least three months before any improvement in spermatogenesis can be expected. During this treatment testosterone replacement therapy should be suspended. Once achieved, the improvement may in some cases be maintained by hCG alone.

If you feel uncomfortable with the higher dosage ( 2000IU), try it at 1000IU two to three times a week for four wks and see if that will do the trick.

[jigga]

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I was on 400mg of Test per week for 9 weeks. The last week I didn't even use since by then I was so stressed with everything I just wanted to be off.


I'm 20 years old.



The weird thing is, my nuts are shrunk up majorly and have been.


But I had my blood taken in the summer, and the doc said my cholosterol was a little high as well as my salt levels.

But my testosterone was OK.

????explain that,

[mick-G]

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Well im not going to lecture, but im sure you know the age thing and starting aas. So am i corrent in saying that you've been like this for 5-7months? You are not having fatigue or frequent headaches? Anyway, id do the HCG thing. It is possible that you can have normal free testosterone in the blood and still have atrophy because of lack of spermatosis. A minimum of 1,000IU three times a wk. See where your at after three wks. If your not decending, continue use for another two wks. If your still having problems, and its not too much hassle, go to the endro. It is very easy to do. Just look in the yellow pages under physcians and look under Reproductive Endocrinology and Infertility or i think it may be best to call your local major hospital and ask if they have a department that specializes in reprodctive endocrinology. They will be able to advise who to contact or should have Dr.'s on staff that specialize in it. Just a word of advice; wait till your at least 25 before you start aas, as you have enough natural test to build. Until then watch your diet, take in enough protein, get proper sleep and train hard.

[prolangtum]

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i still really think 1,000ius is pushing it. 2k is definitely too much IMO. But, it seemed to work for you mick, but I would much rather split up the doses, even 500ius ed over 1000ius 2x per week.