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audio i'm looking at the end result after the winny: note winny being at the end of my cycle will surely not bloat me out. and didn't say the other day it's not the gear it's your diet?
Well just so you know while you are on the deca you will be as bloated as a waterballoon, and extend the deca to a minimum of 10 weeks(it takes about 5-6weeks to fully kick in).
proviron & test through out would most likely cure the limp and chances of gyno, & keep water & fat to minimun am i wrong or what seriouly tell me the truth. for lean gains & for my livers sake no d-bol or orals at that. my revised above w/ the extended deca yet lowered doses and upped test. is this not to be approved yet?
Apparently Anabolics 2004 is not a good source. If you think proviron and test will prevent going limp then go for it, but in my exp even hcg did not help me. different people react different though bro. Also, dbol is not that bad on your liver. Just drink plenty of water and take some milk thistle and/or ALA.
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I do not condone the use of, nor do I use anabolic or androgenic steroids. My participation on these boards is for informational purposes only. I have done extensive research of AAS and enjoy discussing them for role playing enjoyment.
Apparently Anabolics 2004 is not a good source. If you think proviron and test will prevent going limp then go for it, but in my exp even hcg did not help me. different people react different though bro. Also, dbol is not that bad on your liver. Just drink plenty of water and take some milk thistle and/or ALA.
Agree with you on the book being nfg, IMO HCG is not going to prevent deca-dick, it will only increase the swimmers. Its mechanism does have some bearing but not enough to help attain the full salut when on deca. To add to your info, He should need to know that milk thistle and ala should be started at least three weeks before orals and 17aa steroids are taken. 1 gallon of h2o is the daily minimum you should be drinking on orals.
mick-g i'm alomost 27 w/ 8yrs hard hard work in the gym. at 5'-11 now 225 & more bf than wanted. i don't want the mass so i laid my cycle out the way i did. not saying that i'm right but the research i did brought me to this time line. the proviron i plan to run (50mg/ed) which is sufficient amount to keep the gyno away. not to mention help w/ any water & fat from the test & deca. i want lean mass and cut some bf. i think this will do just that. the winnny at the end to polish the rest. would it be more benifical to run the deca longer & up the dosages of the deca & test. want stay moderate w/ my total intake though. keep the input coming!
If your determined to do this, and not a test only cycle, I would at least think about doing a test cycle with eq. It will give you a more lean cut your looking for and shouldn't have probs with the gyno or deca dick. Of course your diet plays a big part. Also if you run the proviron with it will get even more muscle hardness. Just my opinion for an alternative.
TRAM not trying to be a dick but u are a bit stubborn, man listen deca for 5 weeks is not going to do anything for u, and drop teh deca for 300 mg a week for 10 weeks and buump ur test up to 500 mg a week for 12 weeks and do winny last 6 weeks
Hey, Mikey this his first cycle?? And if he doesn't want to do a test only cycle, don't you think the test @ say 500mg/wk with 400-500mg/eq for 12-14 wks and add alittle proviron will give him the lean cut he is looking for without the possible sides of the deca/winny for a first cycle?
of course i like eq better than deca ocz eq will get u morevascular and hard and less water. and test is 500 mg wt no doubt and proviron will give him denser muscle and increae his sex drive too.
i would stay away from winny and deca if taht his first cycle but i was tellin him according to his gears.
of course i like eq better than deca ocz eq will get u morevascular and hard and less water. and test is 500 mg wt no doubt and proviron will give him denser muscle and increae his sex drive too.
i would stay away from winny and deca if taht his first cycle but i was tellin him according to his gears.
This is why i say use the test with the eq, cause it is low andro and he will get the result that he seeks without having to do the deca, hcg. He can always save the deca for another one, as it will last yrs. The biggest thing he need to consider is the deca dick and that it will shut him down hard. He will not have this with the above. Acturally he can still use the winny if he wants.
mick-g i like what i'm hearing (researching) about this eq. if that is Equipoise (boldenone undecylenate) i think replacing that for the deca sounds good. anabolic bd @ 200mg/ml is this a reputable product. test enth @ 400mg/wk for 12. eq @ 400mg/wk for 12. proviron throughout @ 50 mg daily. i got the winny so could i end the last 6 weeks w/ that. what would it benefit me? that would mean i'm taking in grand total 1500mg/wk for the last 6 weeks, is that to much gear.
Agree with you on the book being nfg, IMO HCG is not going to prevent deca-dick, it will only increase the swimmers. Its mechanism does have some bearing but not enough to help attain the full salut when on deca. To add to your info, He should need to know that milk thistle and ala should be started at least three weeks before orals and 17aa steroids are taken. 1 gallon of h2o is the daily minimum you should be drinking on orals.
I said that hcg did not work for me. The milk thistle could be started earlier but it is not known to be effective for sure anyway, just a good extra thing to add imo. I have bloodwork ran very often due to some medication I take and I have never had liver problems (knock on wood). My honest opinion is to just be sure and drink plenty of water while taking orals, and not to be on orals for longer than 6 wks.
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. George Washington
I do not condone the use of, nor do I use anabolic or androgenic steroids. My participation on these boards is for informational purposes only. I have done extensive research of AAS and enjoy discussing them for role playing enjoyment.
Big mike i am stubborn but that is the best way i find to get a honest opinion from someone like yourself or mick-g.(I like what i here from you two) your info has influenced me from no test to test for 12wks and deca to eq. see i'm not that stubborn, i need to be pursuaded w/ solid facts this is a important desicion for me to do this (not to sound like a puss) but i want to be sure i agree w/ what i'm puttin in me and the results i want. test, eq, & proviron sounds good thus far i still got winny on the brain will it benifit to end w/ it. w/ this stack can i still pct w/ hcg & liq. clomid? LET THE INFO COME!
Big mike i am stubborn but that is the best way i find to get a honest opinion from someone like yourself or mick-g.(I like what i here from you two) your info has influenced me from no test to test for 12wks and deca to eq. see i'm not that stubborn, i need to be pursuaded w/ solid facts this is a important desicion for me to do this (not to sound like a puss) but i want to be sure i agree w/ what i'm puttin in me and the results i want. test, eq, & proviron sounds good thus far i still got winny on the brain will it benifit to end w/ it. w/ this stack can i still pct w/ hcg & liq. clomid? LET THE INFO COME!
A lot of us tried to give you solid facts bro, but I am done.
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. George Washington
I do not condone the use of, nor do I use anabolic or androgenic steroids. My participation on these boards is for informational purposes only. I have done extensive research of AAS and enjoy discussing them for role playing enjoyment.
jsjs24 no orals but the proviron for me. if that's what your saying & sorry to keep babbling but what up w/ drinking winny what does that do to your insides? do you loose effectiveness?
jsjs24 no orals but the proviron for me. if that's what your saying & sorry to keep babbling but what up w/ drinking winny what does that do to your insides? do you loose effectiveness?
If you're going to listen and I'm not killing my fingers for nothing...lol, then here is my advice. Orals are awesome to start and sometimes finish a cycle imo. My favorite AAS besides test is dbol. I always take dbol for about 5 wks at the beginning of a cycle. This would be more effective in a bulker, but once the water is off you it would make no difference if it's a cutter. I like to get gains immediately and that's where orals come in. Test and eq do not kick in strong for me until about 4 full wks into a cycle, yet, the orals start working about 1 wk into it. They are not as harsh on the liver as people say. If you are that worried about it and wish to try orals or 17aa steroids then do not drink any alcohol and increase your water intake to about 1.5+gallons ed.
Winstrol is 17aa and can be drank or shot. When injected it will only make one pass thru the liver, when drank it makes two. Again, just drink more water if you drink it. Also, do not take two 17aa steroids at the same time if you want to be extra cautious. Winstrol is known to be just as effective when drinking as when injected, therefore, no need to bother injecting. It also will more times than not clog up your syringe, thus making injects a pain in the ass. I personally like winny tabs.
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. George Washington
I do not condone the use of, nor do I use anabolic or androgenic steroids. My participation on these boards is for informational purposes only. I have done extensive research of AAS and enjoy discussing them for role playing enjoyment.
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