I THINK I GOT IT?

[TRAM]

sorry if you guys got the wrong message of me not listening to the mods or others info. refering to my last post of "still planning my first" no disrespect i'm just trying to pry alittle to get honest advice and info the more you guys let me know, the more subjects i can research on, so A BIG THANKS for the help. any way this is my CURRENT plan, here we are. 12 week cycle. weeks 1-12 400mg test enth/wk. starting my 3rd week 400mg deca for 5 weeks. after the deca start winny @ 50mg/ed for my last 5 weeks. 50mg proviron daily throughout 12 weeks. after ending everything above waiting 2 weeks than starting my 1st of 3 shots hcg 5000 ui. when starting the hcg i will also start liquid clomid for a duration of 6 weeks. not to mention my daily intake vitamins(supplements, liv-52, silymarin, vit-c,...) well, come one come all, lets here it.

[oddball]

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if your only running the deca for 5 weeks you mind as well not use it at all.and like GP said bump up the test to 500mgs

[pigmeat]

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it takes 6 weeks for deca to peak at its intended dose, due to the 3 week half life. You will see no benefit at all. It starts its natural taper down,from the last shot, and is clear within 3 weeks. What a waste.

If you INSIST on running deca, run it at 300mg a week, from day 1, and stop it at week 11, so it clears the same time as test.

[CherryBomb]

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Opps

[mick-G]

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Agree with everyone. For a first cycle test only is an excellent choice especially if it is hg. For deca though, i would run 300-350mg/wk for 12 wks and run the test one wk further. Start pct two wks after last inject of test. Run the hcg sat/sun 500iu to be safe. I also run aroma or ldex .25mg thruout cycle with nolva on hand although i don't get the gyno. May i ask your age?, because if you are under 21 or very young i do no advise the deca. I hope your at least 25 it would be better. Don't be hasty, as you can always save the deca for another cycle it lasts yrs. If you really looking for the mass try omendren the one by Jelfa only and if you want add 35mg dbol for 4wks to jumpstart cycle. Just an idea.

[JsJs24]

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I think that cycle is worthless...........sorry but that's my honest opinion. 5 wks of deca is a waster for sure, and 5000iu shots of hcg are too much imo. I'd do some more research on hcg and deca if I were you.

[HungarianBeast]

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Drop the deca and the hcg for your first. The winny is ok in the end or the front of your cycle. Clomid pct.

[TRAM]

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mick-g i'm alomost 27 w/ 8yrs hard hard work in the gym. at 5'-11 now 225 & more bf than wanted. i don't want the mass so i laid my cycle out the way i did. not saying that i'm right but the research i did brought me to this time line. the proviron i plan to run (50mg/ed) which is sufficient amount to keep the gyno away. not to mention help w/ any water & fat from the test & deca. i want lean mass and cut some bf. i think this will do just that. the winnny at the end to polish the rest. would it be more benifical to run the deca longer & up the dosages of the deca & test. want stay moderate w/ my total intake though. keep the input coming!

[TRAM]

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i don't plan on dropping the deca so should i keep the hcg. sorry?

[TRAM]

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test enth 500mg/wk 12 weeks-deca 300mg/wk 11 weeks- winny 50mg/ed last 6 weks of the total 12 week cycle. proviron thoughout. w/ pct of hcg & liq. clomid?

[JsJs24]

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i don't plan on dropping the deca so should i keep the hcg. sorry?

I respect the fact that you did some research, however, it seems it was not good sources. I do not understand why you run a cycle by us if you do not intend to take our advice. Deca is not even necessary for a first cycle, but you seem to be stuck on it. If you get deca-dick (most likely) then you might listen to others next time. If you want lean gains then I do not suggest deca, but eq instead. For a 1st cycle I think test enan at 500mg for 10 or 12 wks and a jumpstart of dbol 30mg ed for 5 wks is perfect. If you do run deca then hcg at 500iu e5d will suffice. At the end you will want to run about 5000iu at either 500iu ed for 10 days or 1000iu ed for 5. Even with hcg it is still possible to get deca-dick, I know this from exp.

[Audiowaves252]

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i don't plan on dropping the deca so should i keep the hcg. sorry?

I dont understand your reasoning... you say earlier in the thread you want to cut/lose bf, yet youre using deca, which will bloat the SHIT out of you. Also running it for 5 weeks is COMPLETELY worthless. If i were you i'd cut the deca and run:

test 500mgs/wk for 10-12weeks
Clomid/nolva will be fine for pct. no need for hcg IMO

[TRAM]

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proviron & test through out would most likely cure the limp and chances of gyno, & keep water & fat to minimun am i wrong or what seriouly tell me the truth. for lean gains & for my livers sake no d-bol or orals at that. my revised above w/ the extended deca yet lowered doses and upped test. is this not to be approved yet?

[TRAM]

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anabolics 2004 good book or not?

[TRAM]

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audio i'm looking at the end result after the winny: note winny being at the end of my cycle will surely not bloat me out. and didn't say the other day it's not the gear it's your diet?