I need an opinion from the more experienced crowd.....

[pigmeat]

Originally posted by GreyGooseShots
One reason I think why ppl use EQ over Deca for ripping cycle is that Deca reaquiers high calori and proteine intake for results......... and eq does not........... one thing about me I can't diet.......... I will increase my cardio but I won't diet

Once again, somebody lied to you! You can take any steroid at any dose you want, and it will have zero effectiveness without the proper nutrients. Protien builds muscle , gear does not. You will not, and cannot cut either without proper diet and excercise, regardless of the gear used.
As for the post that eq will put more water retention than deca, that is either a misprint, or misguided information. That is the first I have seen that False statement.

[GreyGooseShots]

Originally posted by GreyGooseShots
YOu said that EQ is a test deriverate and Deca is not...... you said that deca is based of nortestosterone....................... while in fact deca is nortestosterone witch is based on test..................

I dont' know im getting conffused......... the faster I get the info on NORtestosterone the better it is.......... someone help me out here..

[pigmeat]

Nortest is not based on test. It is a diffrent hormone. Test derivitives still act as a testosterone in the body while nor test does not. Why do you think nortest converts to progesterone instead of estrogen? Plus, what does this have to do with the results from the 2 being the same? You have yet to show me any study or testemonies backing your statement.

[GreyGooseShots]

Originally posted by pigmeat
Once again, somebody lied to you! You can take any steroid at any dose you want, and it will have zero effectiveness without the proper nutrients. Protien builds muscle , gear does not. You will not, and cannot cut either without proper diet and excercise, regardless of the gear used.
As for the post that eq will put more water retention than deca, that is either a misprint, or misguided information. That is the first I have seen that False statement.

well what I said is that EQ is more effective then deca at low calori and proteine intake makeing more suitble for rippin then deca while on diet.................... something that I don't plan on doing cuase I never do cardio and don't seem to put up fat fast............ by adding cardio to my wrokout I will be burning more calories.................. and the addition of T3 and Cleb a low doeses will go the trick that was what I though and need some thought on it with proff to back them up........... now if you don't mind can how you show me a article were I can read about Nortestosterone

[GreyGooseShots]

And yes I do agree that EQ is superior to DECA when you are on a diet............ but I don't plan on Dieting.......... thats why that addvantage is useless

[pigmeat]

Deca and You by Macro
A short reply to 2thick- on the anabolic board

In honor of Ranger-who knows well the potential evils of Deca

Nandrolone, popularly known as Deca, is a classified as a progestin. Deca derives many of its benefits from its progestenic nature: including, but not limited to, increase IM fat storage and increased fluid retention in the joints from glucocorticoid(GC) stimulation.

Deca is the most widely used form of prescription contraception in the first world. Deca is superior to testosterone as a form of birth control because its progestenic effects which result in rapid onset of azoospermia. Progestins are used similarly in women, progestins given to women in birth control pills and other drugs such as norgestrel and norethidrone are classified as 19-nor-testosterone or 19 nor- progesterone derivatives. Natural progesterone plays an important role in sexual arousal- affecting GABA to a considerable extent. The addition of progestins like deca which compete with progesterone and decrease its production may result in drastically reduced sexual arousal. Interestingly enough, the chemical castration of sex offenders, is acheived through the use of a 19-nortestosterone derivative.

This brings us to the second most common problem with the use of progestenic drugs like Deca, the breast tissue has both PR(progesterone receptors) and ER(estrogen receptors) and stimulation of either will result in new tissue formation and growth. This will vary considerably from individual to individuals based on the numbers and ratio of receptors in the tissue. Some individuals have more PR, which will make them more susceptable to Gyno. Another suspected factor is that there are slightly physiologically different PR, as well as ER and AR, which may effect binding and expression of synthetic progestins either positively or negatively.

The use of Anti-estrogens and Aromatase-inhibitors will help by reducing stimulation of the ER in the breast tissue. However, those with high concentrations of PR or PR whose physiology allows for greater binding or expression of progestins will be faced with developing Gynomacastia.

In short

1. DECA dick is real

2. DECA does cause Gyno

3. DECA is progestin it must be fought with anti-progestins

4. Use of Nolvadex and Arimidex will help, but only by reducing ER stimulation.

Peace

[GreyGooseShots]

Originally posted by pigmeat
Deca and You by Macro
A short reply to 2thick- on the anabolic board

In honor of Ranger-who knows well the potential evils of Deca

Nandrolone, popularly known as Deca, is a classified as a progestin. Deca derives many of its benefits from its progestenic nature: including, but not limited to, increase IM fat storage and increased fluid retention in the joints from glucocorticoid(GC) stimulation.

Deca is the most widely used form of prescription contraception in the first world. Deca is superior to testosterone as a form of birth control because its progestenic effects which result in rapid onset of azoospermia. Progestins are used similarly in women, progestins given to women in birth control pills and other drugs such as norgestrel and norethidrone are classified as 19-nor-testosterone or 19 nor- progesterone derivatives. Natural progesterone plays an important role in sexual arousal- affecting GABA to a considerable extent. The addition of progestins like deca which compete with progesterone and decrease its production may result in drastically reduced sexual arousal. Interestingly enough, the chemical castration of sex offenders, is acheived through the use of a 19-nortestosterone derivative.

This brings us to the second most common problem with the use of progestenic drugs like Deca, the breast tissue has both PR(progesterone receptors) and ER(estrogen receptors) and stimulation of either will result in new tissue formation and growth. This will vary considerably from individual to individuals based on the numbers and ratio of receptors in the tissue. Some individuals have more PR, which will make them more susceptable to Gyno. Another suspected factor is that there are slightly physiologically different PR, as well as ER and AR, which may effect binding and expression of synthetic progestins either positively or negatively.

The use of Anti-estrogens and Aromatase-inhibitors will help by reducing stimulation of the ER in the breast tissue. However, those with high concentrations of PR or PR whose physiology allows for greater binding or expression of progestins will be faced with developing Gynomacastia.

In short

1. DECA dick is real

2. DECA does cause Gyno

3. DECA is progestin it must be fought with anti-progestins

4. Use of Nolvadex and Arimidex will help, but only by reducing ER stimulation.

Peace

well I still didn't read about nortestosterone it self.......... in not looking for 19nortestosterone.......... IM looking for the info on nortestosterone and not the info on DECA cuase deca = 19nortestosterone............

[pigmeat]

Nor test=19nor test. Here is a good read on it.

http://www.massmonsterz.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1902&highlight=19nortestosterone

Anyhow, I am done on this thread! You can keep your misconceptions on gear use, and cycle how you want.

[MYRICK]

OH GODDAMN JUST SHUT UP AND LEAVE, RESEARCH AND THEN COMEBACK WITH WHAT TIME U HAVE SPENT HERE ARGUING U WOULD ALREADY HAVE LEARNED WHAT U WANTED TO KNOW

[jsjs24]

Originally posted by GreyGooseShots
Well it's only 60MG a week.......... I don't think I will miss it since im in my second cycle anyway........ the Prop will be there doing it's thing just not all the time....... thats why the rest of the tests are there for

If I take Prop and EQ how much of a difference in muslce gains and fat loss will I see compared to Sust and Deca......... I will be using T3 and Clen with both........ looks are not as important to me as the fat loss........ I could always do a Winny cycle for about 4 weeks just so I get the watter out and harden up a little.......on a scale from 1-10....... what kind of difference will I see between the two cycles.....

Sust also has phenylpropionate which also is a fast acting ester, therefore you will be wasting (somewhat) 180mg a wk at a 500mg dose. And winstrol should be done for 6-7 wks, not 4.

[GreyGooseShots]

Originally posted by jsjs24
Sust also has phenylpropionate which also is a fast acting ester, therefore you will be wasting (somewhat) 180mg a wk at a 500mg dose. And winstrol should be done for 6-7 wks, not 4.

I won't be wasting anything but the test level will be fluctuating making the test more effective... My body will have a hard time building up a tolerance for it......... that’s the advantage that Sust was made for because after taking Enathate or Prop or any other test ester for long time you will need to up the dose to get same results...

[Governor]

id like to know whats wrong with proline personally. I have never heard anythign bad. Shoot me an e-mail. Governor@cyber-rights.net

[latimer99]

fluctuations in test levels creates more side effects, you are unreal bro. how do you get by in life???

[digital]

fluctuations in test levels creates more side effects, you are unreal bro. how do you get by in life???

lol

[orion76]

Originally posted by GreyGooseShots
I won't be wasting anything but the test level will be fluctuating making the test more effective... My body will have a hard time building up a tolerance for it......... that’s the advantage that Sust was made for because after taking Enathate or Prop or any other test ester for long time you will need to up the dose to get same results...

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