I need an opinion from the more experienced crowd.....

[digital]

vascularity is largely dependant on b/f levels,mine never travels above 12%odd so i notice vascularity straight away.it is also genetically governed.prop and eq will tell you exactly where your at when you look in the mirror so you can adjust diet and/or training to continue to reach your goals,that is a very important fact,i dont believe you will acheive a greater musclegain/fat loss with either choice you make.60mg is 60 mg,so we are all looking for an edge and its these details that make a differance,you might not have expierienced and visible sides but it is harder on your body when it fluctuates,although it might only be a marginal differance.

what do you have against suggestions put forth,have you already purchased your gear?

[pigmeat]

First off bro, there are NO SIMILARITY to deca and EQ. EQ is a testosterone derirative, and deca is not. It is a nor-test derirative. Eq aromatizes, deca does not. As far as results go, they are as diff as apples and oranges! Deca is a very powerful steroid which will give you amazing strength and size gains! MG for Mg it will put more mass and strength on you than test. Alot of water retention too! Now EQ! You wont see much in terms of mass from eq! It is not a very powerfull drug, but it does have its benefits. It is a good hardening agent, promotes new red blood cells, and moderate strength.
I hate to flame, but You have alot to learn. Dont come here and ask for advice, then play mr know-it-all when you are corrected. Your statement that eq and deca are the same is one of the most ignorant statements I have seen. But hey, you know everything. I would like to see this "info" where the 2 are the same. Please, enlighten me!

[digital]

pigmeat is correct with regards deca/eq,when i said there would probably be no differance in muscle gain is due to your circumstances as i dont believe you build muscle while dieting down,not to say that it doesnt happen just that its rare.

[GreyGooseShots]

Originally posted by pigmeat
First off bro, there are NO SIMILARITY to deca and EQ. EQ is a testosterone derirative, and deca is not. It is a nor-test derirative. Eq aromatizes, deca does not. As far as results go, they are as diff as apples and oranges! Deca is a very powerful steroid which will give you amazing strength and size gains! MG for Mg it will put more mass and strength on you than test. Alot of water retention too! Now EQ! You wont see much in terms of mass from eq! It is not a very powerfull drug, but it does have its benefits. It is a good hardening agent, promotes new red blood cells, and moderate strength.
I hate to flame, but You have alot to learn. Dont come here and ask for advice, then play mr know-it-all when you are corrected. Your statement that eq and deca are the same is one of the most ignorant statements I have seen. But hey, you know everything. I would like to see this "info" where the 2 are the same. Please, enlighten me!

Well sorry I didn't know I thought that DECA Durabolin is 19-nortestosterone and that it was based on Testosterone...... I also thought that it aromatizes but at high doses....... and it was weeker then test........... Now I hear that it's not...... well were can I get more info to read about this............

[pigmeat]

nortest is similar to test in structure, but there is no carbon atom at the 19th position. That makes it less androgenic. I shouldnt say that deca does not aromatize, because it does very, very little. Not enough to cause any estro sides, not even at high dose. Deca is very powerful. Even experienced AAS users can see dramatic results from 400-500 mg a week!
Keep reading , or listen to some of the vets! Most will not steer you wrong. But dont tell us we are all wrong without being able to back it up!

[GreyGooseShots]

Originally posted by digital
vascularity is largely dependant on b/f levels,mine never travels above 12%odd so i notice vascularity straight away.it is also genetically governed.prop and eq will tell you exactly where your at when you look in the mirror so you can adjust diet and/or training to continue to reach your goals,that is a very important fact,i dont believe you will acheive a greater musclegain/fat loss with either choice you make.60mg is 60 mg,so we are all looking for an edge and its these details that make a differance,you might not have expierienced and visible sides but it is harder on your body when it fluctuates,although it might only be a marginal differance.

what do you have against suggestions put forth,have you already purchased your gear?

No I have not and If I had I have the ability to give it back to the ppl I get it from.............. but a lot of ppl have recomendet this over everthing alse and I have been reading about it but I guess I have been reading the Wrong stuff........... IF I go with Prop and EQ I will be able to get it for cheap, dirt cheap so thats not the problem I would be paying almost three times more if I go with SUST and DECA...........

I get Proline for 50$ 20CC bottle eather Prop200 or EQ200 ( also everything alse that thay make in 20CC bottle like SUST 300, Deca300, and Winny 50 oil or watter base) and the SUST I was plaing on using was not Proline but more legit stuff from europe...... each shot will cost me about 8$ of each.......... SUST or DECA

So I gues it's the way I think of proline............ I don't like it much I guess

[GreyGooseShots]

Originally posted by pigmeat
nortest is similar to test in structure, but there is no carbon atom at the 19th position. That makes it less androgenic. I shouldnt say that deca does not aromatize, because it does very, very little. Not enough to cause any estro sides, not even at high dose. Deca is very powerful. Even experienced AAS users can see dramatic results from 400-500 mg a week!
Keep reading , or listen to some of the vets! Most will not steer you wrong. But dont tell us we are all wrong without being able to back it up!

"World Wide Deca Durabolin is one of the most widely used anabolic steroids. Deca Durabolin popularity is due to the simple fact that it exhibits many very favorable properties. Structurally Deca Durabolin is very similar to testosterone, although it lacks a carbon atom at the 19t" position (hence its other name 19-nortestosterone). The resulting structure is a steroid that exhibits much weaker androgenic properties than testosterone. Of primary interest is the fact that Deca Durabolin will not break down to a more potent metabolite in androgen target tissuess. You may remember this is a significant problem with testosterone. Although Deca Durabolin does undergo reduction via the same (5-alpha reductase) enzyme that produces DHT from testosterone, the result in this case is dihydronandrolone. This metabolite is weaker than the parent nandroloness, and is far less likely to cause unwanted androgenic side effects. Strong occurrences of oily skin, acne, body/facial hair growth and hair loss occur very rarely. It is however possible for androgenic activity to become apparent with this as any steroid, but with Deca Durabolin higher than normal doses are usually responsible."

I got it from here http://www.anasteroid.com/steroid_pr...urabolin.shtml Now I dont' know who is wrong you or them

[pigmeat]

how is that diff from what I am saying? I havent said anything diff from what that says. Tell me?

[GreyGooseShots]

Originally posted by pigmeat
how is that diff from what I am saying? I havent said anything diff from what that says. Tell me?

based on that reading I came to the conclusion that it is based on testosteron and the difference is that it lact the 19th atom of the testosteron making it what it is

[GreyGooseShots]

I wanna read some info on Nortestosterone and I wanna find out what it is cuase before I thought that nortestosterone is just part of the name of the 19nortestoterone......... maybe this is were im mistaken

[GreyGooseShots]

here it is saying that EQ will give me little more watter then DECA......... I don't know know........ im getting confused or it might be the long hourst of staring at the monitor and im reading wrong

"The side effects associated with Equipoise are generally mild. The structure of Boldenone (Equipoise) does allow it to convert into estrogen, but it does not have an extremely high affinity to do so. To try and quantify this we can look toward aromatization studies, which suggest that its rate of estrogen conversion should be roughly ha that of testosterone. The tendency to develop a noticeable amount of water retention with Equipoise would thetef ore be slightly higher than that with Deca-Durabolin (with an estimated 20% conversion), but much less than ihat would be expected with a stronger agent such as Testosterone. While one does still have a chance of encqtintering an estrogen related side effect as such when using this substance, it is not a common problemwheh taken at a moderate dosage level. Gynecomastia might theoretically become a concern, but is usually only heared of with very sensitive individuals or (again) those venturing high in dosage. Should estrogenic effects become troublesome, the addition of Nolvadex and/or Proviron should of course make the-cycle more tolerable. An anti aromatase such as Cytadren or Arimidex would be stronger options, however probably not indicated with a mild drug as such."

http://www.anasteroid.com/steroid_profiles/equipoise/equipoise.shtml

[GreyGooseShots]

One reason I think why ppl use EQ over Deca for ripping cycle is that Deca reaquiers high calori and proteine intake for results......... and eq does not........... one thing about me I can't diet.......... I will increase my cardio but I won't diet

[pigmeat]

The lack of atom at the 19th position makes it a whole diff compound. nor test is a diff hormone than test. You can not say that because they are similar in structure that they are the same. They exhibit totally diff properties. It is common knowledge to anybody that knows gear that deca is not a test derivative!

[GreyGooseShots]

Originally posted by pigmeat
First off bro, there are NO SIMILARITY to deca and EQ. EQ is a testosterone derirative, and deca is not. It is a nor-test derirative. Eq aromatizes, deca does not. As far as results go, they are as diff as apples and oranges! Deca is a very powerful steroid which will give you amazing strength and size gains! MG for Mg it will put more mass and strength on you than test. Alot of water retention too! Now EQ! You wont see much in terms of mass from eq! It is not a very powerfull drug, but it does have its benefits. It is a good hardening agent, promotes new red blood cells, and moderate strength.
I hate to flame, but You have alot to learn. Dont come here and ask for advice, then play mr know-it-all when you are corrected. Your statement that eq and deca are the same is one of the most ignorant statements I have seen. But hey, you know everything. I would like to see this "info" where the 2 are the same. Please, enlighten me!

YOu said that EQ is a test deriverate and Deca is not...... you said that deca is based of nortestosterone....................... while in fact deca is nortestosterone witch is based on test..................

[GreyGooseShots]

Originally posted by pigmeat
The lack of atom at the 19th position makes it a whole diff compound. nor test is a diff hormone than test. You can not say that because they are similar in structure that they are the same. They exhibit totally diff properties. It is common knowledge to anybody that knows gear that deca is not a test derivative!

That I know............ what I was comaring is not the compound of deca and EQ but the results..........................