why carbs needed with clen?

[NeverSatisfied]

i am trying to cut some bodyfat and i am doing a ckd diet. I have clen and wanted to use it, but i was researching and i found an article saying that clen will not work with keto diets. can someone explain why carbs are needed? will clen work, just not be as effective? or would it be useless to use clen while on on cyclical keto diet?

[NeverSatisfied]

bump for those who know

[Dumbdude]

Never read anything like that, can you post the article ?

[NeverSatisfied]

Clenbuterol FAQ: Everything you need to know about Clen by BigAndy69
Clenbuterol FAQ: Everything you need to know about Clen

I wrote this because of all the confusion that surrounds this drug. Enjoy.

What is Clenbuterol?

Clenbuterol is a beta-2 agonist and is used in many countries as a broncodilator for the treatment of asthma. Because of it's long half life, clenbuterol is not FDA approved for medical use. It is a central nervous system stimulant and acts like adrenaline. It shares many of the same side effects as other CNS stimulants like ephedrine. Contrary to popular belief, Clenbuterol has a half life of 35 hours and not 48 hours.

Dosing and Cycling

Clenbuterol comes in 20mcg tablets, although it is also available in syrup, pump and injectable form. Doses are very dependent on how well the user responds to the side effects, but somewhere in the range of 5-8 tablets per day for men and 1-4 tablets a day for women is most common. Clenbuterol loses its thermogenic effects after 6-8 weeks when body temperature drops back to normal. It's anabolic/anti-catabolic properties fade away at around the 18 day mark. Taking the long half life into consideration, the most effective way of cycling clen is 2 weeks on/ 2 weeks off for no more than 12 weeks. Ephedrine can be used in the off weeks.

Clenbuterol vs Ephedrine vs DNP

Ephedrine will raise metabolic levels by about 2-3 percent and 200mg of DNP raises metabolic levels by about 30 percent. Clenbuterol raises metabolic levels about 10 percent and it can raise body temperature several degrees.

DNP is by far the most effective fat burner but many people will never use it because of the risks associated with it. It also offers no anti-catabolic benefit. Although it does have anti-catabolic effect, ephedrine short half life prevents it from being all that effective.

As far as side effects, Clenbuterol's are certainly milder than DNP's, and some would even say milder than an ECA stack. There is no ECA-style crash on Clenbuterol and many users find it easier on the prostate and sex drive. This may in part be due to the fact that Clen is generally used for only 2 weeks at a time.

Side effects

NAUSEA
NERVOUSNESS
DIZZINESS
DROWSINESS
DRY MOUTH
FACIAL FLUSHING
HEADACHE
HEARTBURN
INCREASED BLOOD PRESSURE
INCREASED SWEATING
INSOMNIA
LIGHTHEADEDNESS
MUSCLE CRAMPS
TREMORS
VOMITING
CHEST PAIN

The most significant side effects are muscle cramps, nervousness, headaches, and increased blood pressure.

Muscle cramps can be avoided by drinking 1.5-2 gallons of water and consuming bananas and oranges or supplementing with GNC potassium tablets at 200-400mg a day taken before bed on an empty stomach.

Headaches can easily be avoided with Tylenol Extra Strength taken at the first signs of a headache. You may need to take double the recommended dose.

Common Uses

Post-Cycle Therapy: Clen is used post cycle to aid in recovery. It allows the user to continue eating large amounts of food, without worrying about adding body fat. It also helps the user maintain more of his strength as well as his intensity in the gym. Diet: Roughly the same as on cycle.

Fat loss: The most popular use for Clen, it also increases muscle hardness, vascularity, strength and size on a caloric deficit. For the most significant fat loss, Clen can be stacked with T3. Diet: A high protein(1.5g per lb of bodyweight), moderate carb(0.5g to 1g per lb of bodyweight), low fat diet(0.25g per lb of bodyweight) seems to work best with Clen.

Alternative to Steroids: Clenbuterol has mild steroid-like properties and can be used by non AS using bodybuilder to increase LBM as well as strength and muscle hardness. Diet: A moderate carb, high protein, moderate fat diet work well.

Stimulant/Performance Enhancement: It can be used as a stimulant, but an ECA stack may be a better choice because of it's much shorter half-life. Diet: To take full advantage of the stimulatory effects of Clen, Carbs must be included in the diet. Keto diet do not work well in this case.

Precautions: Is Clen for you?

The same precautions that apply to Ephedrine must be applied to Clen, although some people find ECA stacks harsher than Clen. It should not be stacked with other CNS stimulants such as Ephedrine and Yohimbine. These combinations are unnecessary and potentially dangerous. Caffeine can be used in moderation before a workout for an extra kick, although its diuretic effects may shift electrolyte balance. Drink more water if you use Caffeine.

What else do I need to know?

Most users that report bad side effects and discontinue use are those who use high doses right at the start of the cycle. The worst side effects occur within the first 3-4 days of use.

A first time user should not exceed 40mcg the first day.

Example of a first cycle:

Day1: 20mcg
Day2: 40mcg
Day3: 60mcg
Day4: 80mcg
Day5: 80mcg(Note: Increase the dose only when the side effects are tolerable)
Day6-Day12: 100mcg
Day13: 80mcg (Tapering is not necessary, but it helps some users get back to normal gradually)
Day14: 60mcg
Day15: off
Day16: off
Day 17: ECA/ NYC stack

Example of a second cycle:

Day1: 60mcg
Day2: 80mcg
Day3: 80mcg
Day4: 100mcg
Day5: 100mcg
Day6-Day12: 120mcg
Day13: 100mcg
Day14: 80mcg
Day15: off
Day16: off
Day 17: ECA/ NYC stack

Do not take Clen Past 4pm and drink plenty of water: 1.5-2 gallons a day.

All brands are not equal when it comes to Clen, different brands will yield different results.

That about covers everything.

[NeverSatisfied]

Originally posted by NeverSatisfied


Fat loss: The most popular use for Clen, it also increases muscle hardness, vascularity, strength and size on a caloric deficit. For the most significant fat loss, Clen can be stacked with T3.

Diet: A high protein(1.5g per lb of bodyweight), moderate carb(0.5g to 1g per lb of bodyweight), low fat diet(0.25g per lb of bodyweight) seems to work best with Clen.

Alternative to Steroids: Clenbuterol has mild steroid-like properties and can be used by non AS using bodybuilder to increase LBM as well as strength and muscle hardness.

Diet: A moderate carb, high protein, moderate fat diet work well.

Stimulant/Performance Enhancement: It can be used as a stimulant, but an ECA stack may be a better choice because of it's much shorter half-life.

Diet: To take full advantage of the stimulatory effects of Clen, Carbs must be included in the diet.

Keto diet do not work well in this case.

mainly concerned with this part of the article

[Skarn]

The article is only saying that carbs are needed for the max stimulatory effect......makes sense since without carbs you have no energy and feel drained/tired all the time.

Skarn

[Speedracer59]

I used it with almost no carbs and it worked great.

[NeverSatisfied]

ok good, this was what i wanted to hear. are there any more sides when running it with no carbs? like more cramping or anything?

[Speedracer59]

You may want to add some potassium. I have heard pros and cons in taking taurine also .(I dont)

[localboyz]

i did the low-carb diet with clen/t3, and the only side effects i noticed were increased temperature( i got hot a lot easier), and shaking, which is pretty noticeable.

[bigredhogs]

I used Clen for two weeks and thought it wasnt doing any good but I checked my body fat percentage the other day and i was down to 17.5. Two weeks ago I was 19.5. I am on a high protein and low carb diet. I will be honest thought I did get tired alot. My hands would shake about like what a diabetic goes thru when they get low blood sugar. Its not that real noticable. Im off of it right now because I got tired of being tired all the time. I think my next drug I will use will be Cytomel. I heard great results happen when both Clen and Cyto are mixed together. Im also looking into Triacana. But dont have alot of info. Only that it is much safer than Cyto.

[FUZO]

TAURINE IS A MUST. 2 GRAMS A DAY WITH CLEN

[Speedracer59]

Originally posted by FUZO
TAURINE IS A MUST. 2 GRAMS A DAY WITH CLEN

I have heard you should and shouldnt supplement taurine with clen . Ill try to dig up the cons

[Speedracer59]

YJ posted this a while back in response to one of my posts.


Great, but the reason its used with clen and other beta agonists cramps is because clen depletes taurine levels from the liver thus hindering the conversion of T4 to T3.


Its also a well known fact that taurine decreases insulin resistance (dont know why I said sensitivity, thats why you dont do two things at once ) (1)





(1) Haber CA, Lam TK, Yu Z, Gupta N, Goh T, Bogdanovic E, Giacca A, Fantus IG.
N-acetylcysteine (NAC) and taurine prevent hyperglycemia-induced insulin resistance in vivo: possible role of oxidative stress. Am J Physiol Endocrinol Metab. 2003 Jun 10 [Epub ahead of print]


Some more references for those concerned:

Doheny MH, Waterfield CJ, Timbrell JA.
The effects of the beta 2-agonist drug clenbuterol on taurine levels in heart and other tissues in the rat.
Amino Acids. 1998;15(1-2):13-25

Waterfield CJ, Carvalho F, Timbrell JA.
Effect of treatment with beta-agonists on tissue and urinary taurine levels in rats. Mechanism and implications for protection.
Adv Exp Med Biol. 1996;403:233-45.

[Speedracer59]

Here is another therad:

http://www.fitnessgeared.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=6603&highlight=taurine