m1t and your liver

[Phil]

would you say that instead of taking m1t at like 15-25mg/ed for the 2 wks on 2 wks off and then another 2 wks on (w/pct of course) itd be safer on ur liver to do like a dbol cycle at 15-20mgs/ed for 8 wks or drol at 50mg/ed at 6 wks?

[jipped genes]

Originally posted by Phil
would you say that instead of taking m1t at like 15-25mg/ed for the 2 wks on 2 wks off and then another 2 wks on (w/pct of course) itd be safer on ur liver to do like a dbol cycle at 15-20mgs/ed for 8 wks or drol at 50mg/ed at 6 wks?

M1T is more hepatoxic than even moderately high doses of dbol or even drol. i wouldnt go over 15 mg and would use tons of liver detox and ALA. i dont know if you read the whole thing i did my M1T cycle and in 3 weeks at 20 mg my liver enzymes were off the chart and total cholesterol was just under 300. it was 180ish before the cycle. i wont touch it again at 20 mg maybe 5-10 mg for 2 weeks.

[Phil]

so if u were to do it again, u think ud just go for gear?

[jipped genes]

Originally posted by Phil
so if u were to do it again, u think ud just go for gear?

i still have some but its not worth fucking my body up. it is pretty cool you can get something legal that is that strong but i can do the same thing with gear and have 1/10th the sides. i stopped at 3 weeks because of headaches and horrible acne worse than 750 mg of test. i started with too high a dose i think you can do it safely just at lower doses. go to bass's board and go to the prohormone forum. wardog hangs in there and knows ALOT about it he can help you more than I. my partner has used it twice with no sides.

[EDog]

It's got some sides for sure, bu it is by far the most potent compound out. It is way better than ANYTHING else on the market. We are looking to bring out other ones though like Methyl 4-Hydroxy-Nandrolone

EDog

PS It's never been demonstrated to be more or less liver toxic than anything else.

[Phil]

Yeah, Ive read through alot of the m1t threads in the PH forum. My thought process was ynot just do a long dbol or drol cycle as opposed to the m1t if it was just gonna be another 17aa oral cycle anyways?

[jipped genes]

just be careful bro and start low you may have great results with 10mg ed

[Phil]

youre referring to the m1t, right?


correct me if this logic is wrong in thinking that I might as well just do a dbol only cycle as opposed to m1t only...i mean, if im not going to venture into needles yet, and im gonna do an oral, ynot just go with the real stuff (thats not even as hepatoxic as m1t)?

[Phil]

didnt Retabolil2 (the 6 yr progress pics) start with a dbol only cycle?

[wanted]

thanks for the info

Originally posted by EDog
Gentlemen,
thanx again

I want ot make sure everyone knows NOT to start stacking every methyl compound under the sun. Additionally, I want people to take proper post cycle therapy when using methylated compounds.

For making sure you reduce any side effects of methylated compounds, it is also good to stack with Milk THistle and NAC.

YOU MUST TAKE THE GRANULES!!! THEY ARE WAY MORE POTENT THAN THE SOFTGELS PER SERVING. ONE TABLESPOON A DAY IS GOOD!!! Granules are very cheap, like $5-12 per container.

Quoted but good (EDITED FOR SHIT WE CARE ABOUT):

Lecithin

Other Names: Choline, Kelecin, Lecithol, Soy Lecithin, Vegilecithin, Vitrellin , phosphatidylcholine

Who is this for?


Uses

In human and animal studies, lecithin or choline supplementation resulted in slight decreases in cholesterol. A small study of individuals with normal or mildly elevated cholesterol levels showed that lecithin supplementation decreased both the absorption of cholesterol from foods and the production of low-density lipoproteins (the “bad” type of cholesterol).

In another study, laboratory rats that were given a choline-free diet developed liver diseases, including cirrhosis and liver cancer. Choline deficiencies also caused artificially-induced liver cancer and other cancers to spread faster than they did in animals receiving normal amounts of choline. In human studies, individuals who had diets with no choline developed liver damage. When laboratory animals and human study participants were given lecithin or choline supplementation, however, the deposition of fat and the development of fibers in liver cells were blocked and existing liver fibers were reduced at least partially. This blocking of fiber formation is important because fiber formation may lead to cirrhosis, liver damage, and even death due to liver dysfunction. In another human study, adding lecithin to the diets of patients who were receiving long-term total parenteral nutrition (feeding through an intravenous line) decreased fatty deposits in their livers.

'Lecithin is considered an excellent source of the B vitamin choline.....Lecithin and choline are needed for a range of body functions. They help build cell membranes and facilitate the movement of fats and nutrients in and out of cells. They aid in reproduction and in fetal and infant development; they're essential to liver and gallbladder health.... Lecithin is a key component of bile, the fat-digesting substance, and low levels of this nutrient are known to precipitate gallstones. Lecithin may also be beneficial for the liver. The results of a ten year study on baboons showed that it prevented severe liver scarring and cirrhosis caused by alcohol abuse; other studies have indicated that it helps liver problems associated with hepatitis.

Choline is often included in liver complex formulas along with other liver-strengthening supplements, such as the B vitamin inositol, the amino acid methionine, and the herbs milk thistle and dandelion. These preparations, often called lipotropic combinations or factors, can protect against the buildup of fats within the liver, improve the flow of fats and cholesterol through the liver and gallbladder, and help the liver rid the body of dangerous toxins.

[EDog]

It's great stuff in general even if you are not on a methyl product!