m1t and your liver

[DrtyJrzyGuy]

alright, sorry i didn't get this up last night, after goign to the doc, and him now seeing yet the third test done on my liver enzyms, they have finally improved, somewhat, he is doign some research on his own, he feels completely confident that it is in fact the m1t that caused the problems. . . i still feel sick all the time, he said it may take over a year for my liver to be normal again, ut if it keeps healing at the rate it is i will be fine for the most part within a month or so, i am going to a digestive tract docter person on friday now, he will give me more updates, i am also having several tests done later today, and the doctor will be calling me tonight with a wet reading. I asked him why i might be getting such a problem with thsi stuff and other peopel say they are fine, he said it is simply that i reactd more everely tahn other people, but he is posative that if it could cause me this much harm in thsi short a period, that the other peole have extremely toxcified livers, but as i said before, you don't noticeproblems with your liver till you are quite lliterally almost in life threatening condition, he says that if i had stayed on for another 4 weeks or so he wouldn't be surprised if it did put me in the hospital. . . so just be careful using this stuff!

[spidey]

I was going to ask for an update but nevermind

[IntensityX]

I urge people to get their liver values checked after doing a cycle of this or any steroid for that matter,always get blood work done to see what your health status is

[EDog]

It really sounds like you had a pre-existing condition bro. I hope you feel better.

Also, look into things like lecithin to help clear fats from the liver. They are very useful in people that have cirrosis from alcohol. Buy Lecithin granules, not the pills because they are way more potent!

EDog

[EDog]

I am in no way saying that your situation is not important, but you may have had a pre-existing condition because I have heard people doing obscene doses of M1T and not having issues. I urge everyone to see their Dr before taking ANY supplement or PH product and follow the directions.

EDog

[EDog]

Gentlemen,

I want ot make sure everyone knows NOT to start stacking every methyl compound under the sun. Additionally, I want people to take proper post cycle therapy when using methylated compounds.

For making sure you reduce any side effects of methylated compounds, it is also good to stack with Milk THistle and NAC.

YOU MUST TAKE THE GRANULES!!! THEY ARE WAY MORE POTENT THAN THE SOFTGELS PER SERVING. ONE TABLESPOON A DAY IS GOOD!!! Granules are very cheap, like $5-12 per container.

Quoted but good (EDITED FOR SHIT WE CARE ABOUT):

Lecithin

Other Names: Choline, Kelecin, Lecithol, Soy Lecithin, Vegilecithin, Vitrellin , phosphatidylcholine

Who is this for?


Uses

In human and animal studies, lecithin or choline supplementation resulted in slight decreases in cholesterol. A small study of individuals with normal or mildly elevated cholesterol levels showed that lecithin supplementation decreased both the absorption of cholesterol from foods and the production of low-density lipoproteins (the “bad” type of cholesterol).

In another study, laboratory rats that were given a choline-free diet developed liver diseases, including cirrhosis and liver cancer. Choline deficiencies also caused artificially-induced liver cancer and other cancers to spread faster than they did in animals receiving normal amounts of choline. In human studies, individuals who had diets with no choline developed liver damage. When laboratory animals and human study participants were given lecithin or choline supplementation, however, the deposition of fat and the development of fibers in liver cells were blocked and existing liver fibers were reduced at least partially. This blocking of fiber formation is important because fiber formation may lead to cirrhosis, liver damage, and even death due to liver dysfunction. In another human study, adding lecithin to the diets of patients who were receiving long-term total parenteral nutrition (feeding through an intravenous line) decreased fatty deposits in their livers.

'Lecithin is considered an excellent source of the B vitamin choline.....Lecithin and choline are needed for a range of body functions. They help build cell membranes and facilitate the movement of fats and nutrients in and out of cells. They aid in reproduction and in fetal and infant development; they're essential to liver and gallbladder health.... Lecithin is a key component of bile, the fat-digesting substance, and low levels of this nutrient are known to precipitate gallstones. Lecithin may also be beneficial for the liver. The results of a ten year study on baboons showed that it prevented severe liver scarring and cirrhosis caused by alcohol abuse; other studies have indicated that it helps liver problems associated with hepatitis.

Choline is often included in liver complex formulas along with other liver-strengthening supplements, such as the B vitamin inositol, the amino acid methionine, and the herbs milk thistle and dandelion. These preparations, often called lipotropic combinations or factors, can protect against the buildup of fats within the liver, improve the flow of fats and cholesterol through the liver and gallbladder, and help the liver rid the body of dangerous toxins.

[Seth Roberts]

Odd

I find it very odd that a mere 560 mg of methyl-1-test has "destroyed" your liver while there are AIDs patients using 150 mg of anadrol per day with only mild liver enzyme elevation.

Were you using alcohol on cycle? Were you using other drugs? recreational or otherwise? Were you using tylenol concurrently with your cycle? Do you have a history of oral steroid use? Do you have a history of heavy drinking? Have you been tested for hepatitis (acute or chronic)? do you have a family history of liver disease?

Finally, you say you were drinking 3 gallons of water a day? Did your doctor mention anything to you about water intoxication?
Just a thought
Seth

[orion76]

Gee, I wonder if someone who comes into the doctors office with severe liver problems would be tested for hepatitis or pre-existing liver problems. No you're right, probably not, that wouldn't make sense....

Otherwise he must have gotten his liver damage by drinking water... yeah right.

But you do have a good point, if 150mg of Anadrol doesn't hurt an AIDS patient then this M1T must be some damn toxic stuff!

[orion76]

I'd definitely sue, you'll make millions

[Seth Roberts]

didn't mean to imply

I didn't mean to imply that drinking that much water hurt his liver -- just that 3 gallons of water a day is a bit much -- even when using steroids.

[jipped genes]

i am having blood work done in a couple of weeks after one month of M1T i used no ala or milkthistle. 4 months ago i had a full physical and everything was normal so we shall see.

[shodude]

What doseage do you use and how long was the cycle? What is your previous cycle history as well as pre-existing liver condition? If people want to see real world results with M1T and your liver then go to anabolic minds and you will see that some members are getting tests done throughout their cycle and documenting EVERYTHING.

[John Benz]

Re: Odd

Originally posted by Seth Roberts
I find it very odd that a mere 560 mg of methyl-1-test has "destroyed" your liver while there are AIDs patients using 150 mg of anadrol per day with only mild liver enzyme elevation.

Mg per mg, M1T is far more hepatoxic than Anadrol or D-Bol. Big Cat, head mod @ bb.com used M1T that he somehow obtained over a year ago on a client @ 50 mg per day. (iffbb pro class) He did liver enzyme tests throughout and stopped early as he claims that in the first week, blood levels were FAR more elevated than he had ever seen using Anadrol or any other methylated steroid.

[John Benz]

Originally posted by IntensityX
You seem to be the only one that had a very bad reaction to this since every review that I've seen from people saying they really liked it with little sides(no liver problems though)

Most who have run it and posted cycles seem to stop short due to severe backaches and high bp. Even very advanced trainers like Bobo and Lakevillethor have stopped in less than 2 weeks, but those 2 were using 30 mg per day. M1T is extremely potent, and gains from 10 mgs per day are nearly the same as with 30, even in an experienced juicer. Anything over 10 mgs per day is overkill for 99% of users, as the only thing that increases above that are the sides.

[shodude]

Originally posted by John Benz
Most who have run it and posted cycles seem to stop short due to severe backaches and high bp. Even very advanced trainers like Bobo and Lakevillethor have stopped in less than 2 weeks, but those 2 were using 30 mg per day. M1T is extremely potent, and gains from 10 mgs per day are nearly the same as with 30, even in an experienced juicer. Anything over 10 mgs per day is overkill for 99% of users, as the only thing that increases above that are the sides.

I agree with this 100%. More is definitely not better when regarding M1T. It is very strong stuff.