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Originally posted by Da954RRStuna so what product offers the best and most casein/caseinate?
doing some research and not tomany powders have casein in them and the ones that do dont tell you how much or what % it is..
anyone have an idea?
*** Micellar Casein can be found at places such as, "Protein Customizer" and Protein Factory" I believe.
Articles a bit overrated. Not sure its really kenw to anyone but I agree with Nandi when he says
I would not throw out my whey based on that article. Both proteins have their place in an athlete's or bodybuilder's diet. Whey's fast delivery is probably beneficial, contrary to Thoburn's reasoning, when ingested before or immediately after a workout. The former is superior, according to the often cited research by Tipton et al (1). It's just not practical to try to time your casien intake to maximize plasma amino acid levels when exercise induced blood flow to muscle is greatest. (Note that the study by Tipton measures protein synthesis, not long term muscle growth, so as Thoburn acknowledges with his casein research, one cannot necessarily conclude the former leads to the latter, but the data are suggestive.)
We have also seen animal data presented here suggesting that alpha lactalbumin enriched whey taken before cardio increases muscle mass, whereas whole milk protein before cardio increases fat mass. (2)
(1) Am J Physiol Endocrinol Metab. 2001 Aug;281(2):E197-206.
Timing of amino acid-carbohydrate ingestion alters anabolic response of muscle to resistance exercise.
Tipton KD, Rasmussen BB, Miller SL, Wolf SE, Owens-Stovall SK, Petrini BE, Wolfe RR.
(2) Am J Physiol Endocrinol Metab. 2002 Sep;283(3):E565-72.
A preexercise alpha-lactalbumin-enriched whey protein meal preserves lipid oxidation and decreases adiposity in rats.
Bouthegourd JC, Roseau SM, Makarios-Lahham L, Leruyet PM, Tome DG, Even PC.
"The former is superior, according to the often cited research by Tipton et al (1)."
(1) Am J Physiol Endocrinol Metab. 2001 Aug;281(2):E197-206.
Timing of amino acid-carbohydrate ingestion alters anabolic response of muscle to resistance exercise.
*** I don't see any corelation in terms of this reference that was used. In the study it clearly states that the session took place under a fasted condition and that the subjects were given 6 grams of AA's.
"The amounts of essential amino acids in a 500-ml bolus EAC solution were (mg and µmol, respectively) histidine 0.65, 4.2; isoleucine 0.60, 4.6; leucine 1.12, 8.5; lysine 0.93, 6.4; methionine 0.19, 1.3; phenylalanine 0.93, 5.6; threonine 0.88, 7.4; and valine 0.7, 6.0. Additionally, 0.0605 g of L-[ring-2H5]phenylalanine was added to the solution to maintain isotopic steady state."
Originally posted by Da954RRStuna so what product offers the best and most casein/caseinate?
doing some research and not tomany powders have casein in them and the ones that do dont tell you how much or what % it is..
anyone have an idea?
I know twinlab has come out with some and pro performance also has just released a whey/casein blend of 60%whey and 40%casein.
YellowJacket, seeing as you agree with Nandi, maybe you can chime in here.
Whey's fast delivery is probably beneficial, contrary to Thoburn's reasoning, when ingested before or immediately after a workout. The former is superior, according to the often cited research by Tipton et al (1).
*** I don't see any corelation in terms of this reference that was used. In the study it clearly states that the session took place under a fasted condition and that the subjects were given 6 grams of AA's.
"The amounts of essential amino acids in a 500-ml bolus EAC solution were (mg and µmol, respectively) histidine 0.65, 4.2; isoleucine 0.60, 4.6; leucine 1.12, 8.5; lysine 0.93, 6.4; methionine 0.19, 1.3; phenylalanine 0.93, 5.6; threonine 0.88, 7.4; and valine 0.7, 6.0. Additionally, 0.0605 g of L-[ring-2H5]phenylalanine was added to the solution to maintain isotopic steady state."
This means that if you take a closer look at the study being referenced you will note that the study was done under fasted conditions, and used a blend of specific amino acids and a specific dose.
Can you explain how this relates to Thoburn's article and what he's saying?
Originally posted by maki riddington You come into a thread, throw in a copy and paste post and then fail to defend it. Way to back your words up YelloJacket.
Its actually "YellowJacket" and I think the post speaks for itself. You said "you might want to reconsider buying whey protein" and defended it with what? If you're discrediting whey protein based on that article, I suggest you get a basic handle on nutrition before you attempt to help others. This article changes nothing for me. What I pastes was self explainatory. Im not sure if english is your first language but you did a poor job of adequately expressing what you wanted answered.
Originally posted by YellowJacket Its actually "YellowJacket" and I think the post speaks for itself. You said "you might want to reconsider buying whey protein" and defended it with what? If you're discrediting whey protein based on that article, I suggest you get a basic handle on nutrition before you attempt to help others. This article changes nothing for me. What I pastes was self explainatory. Im not sure if english is your first language but you did a poor job of adequately expressing what you wanted answered.
You should check your spelling before flaming somebody about their English.
Originally posted by Shear_Madness anyone else know anything about this twinlab protein product?
Twinlabs PM protein fuel, contains Milk protein concentrate,Calcium Caseinate, and Micellular Casein, designed for slower absorption and up to 6 hours of sustained amino acid release.
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