getting fat

[rado]

Originally posted by vibrantred94gt
I don't mean big as in fat, I mean big as in more muscles. I have read several places that say don't do cardio while on a cycle. And I also posted a post about the thermos while on a cycle and people said no.

thermos on a cycle is NOT bad at all...you can take some Xenadrine to keep some fat off.

[slowtwitch]

My 2 cents... based on my own experience. This is how it works for ME.

Golden rule - measure your waist. Forget the scales unless you are trying to make a weight class or something...

If your waist gets bigger, you are getting fat.

If you don't train correctly and eat too much, you'll get fat. And yes, the estrogen may help that along...

For me it comes down to diet. I've never done a mass cycle where I came out fatter... Never.

I don't buy the eat like a pig theory - at least not for me...

If you are training correctly and losing a ton of weight, you need to eat more - and in the right proportions.

If you are at a low body fat to begin with, you should be GAINING weight. If you are at a higher body fat to begin with you should be maintaining...

I train hard and get enough protein, fat, and carbs to support my output.

I don't diet while bulking, but I don't overeat either.

As I add mass, my metabolism gets higher and my body composition slowly changes. (key word, slowly - I don't drop 15 lbs of fat overnight...)

Add mass, maintain body weight = lower body fat percentage (if you are starting out at a higher bf)

That's kind of what weight training is all about. If you are getting fat on a mass cycle, you are eating wrong...

Cardio on a mass cycle to 'burn fat' makes no sense to me. Cardio for health reasons on a mass cycle makes sense if it isn't excessive. You are trying to build muscle. MUSCLE BURNS FAT. Period.

My waist measurement actually decreases a few inches while the rest of my measurements go up - on a mass cycle. I'm not saying I get totally cut, but I sure as hell don't get any fatter. I actually lose some fat.

That's how its always worked for me. But, then again, everyone is different.

The get fat while bulking and then diet down concept doesn't work for me. There is no excuse for adding body fat. (if you want to be a power lifter, then be a power lifter... even still, ever notice how the winners in the strongest man contests are NOT the biggest/bulkiest ones???)

Getting cut gets more complicated - you really need to be in calorie deficit - but you especially need to be getting the right nutrition at the right time as well... There is TONS of information out there.

[prolangtum]

If your an exreme ectomorph, were talking marathoner runner body, than no cardio. But, cardio, even moderatley 3x a week, helps change the way your body partitions nutrients and store food. Its not just for fat burning.

[slowtwitch]

Like I said, cardio for health reasons if it isn't excessive -

Nutrient repartitioning - I don't know. It might help, but the right training and the right eating at the right time are IMPERITIVE.

Guys who train heavy, correctly, and eat right become massive and start looking like body builders.

Guys who run or bike a lot look like.. well, runners and bikers...

If you want to look BIG and hard; train HEAVY, get enough REST and eat right. But keep an eye on the tape measure.

If you want to look like an aerobic's instructor, hit the treadmill.

Speaks for itself. Simple.

[AnotherUser]

you're ignoring the fact that people who do a TON of cardio give it precedence over bodybuilding. They're not lifting to add lots of muscle mass. They aren't trying to be big. I hate it when people use that runner/biker example.

[vibrantred94gt]

So, I have realized that I am adding fat, and I have realized that my waist has gotten bigger, my love handles are back.


I was eating 3700- 4000 cals a day give or take. No cardio, no thermos.

So I am going to drop to 3200 -3400 cals a day. I was eating like this before I started my cycle and was putting on muscle and not gaining any fat.

I thought I should step it up a notch while on a cycle and I was wrong.

So that equals out to about 275 g protein (1100 cals), 275 g carbs (1100 cals) and 111 grams of fat ( 1000 cals).

I totally agree with slowtwitch on the whole bulking thing.

I DON'T want to get fat, period. I feel I was making good gains before the cycle, so why change untill I stop makeing gains.

So, what I need to know is when to eat what proportion of what. I figure I will eat about half of my carbs as simple carbs, and half as complex. Can I just divide the numbers up evenly throughout the whole day, 6 meals, or should I eat....say a larger breakfast and larger post workout meals?

I need to know when to eat what.

[THE JUICE]

its what u eat man, if u eat clean and high proteins, you will grow solid but if you eat high protiens and junk all together theres a huge change you will grow but along with fat. Thats why eat right man, Ive done the mistake of eating high fat foods while bulking up and grew but with fat too.

[vibrantred94gt]

Clean diet here 100% bro. chicken breasts, turkey, the leanest hamburger, brown rice, wheat past, you name it , it is clean.

[slowtwitch]

As somebody who gains fat easily I can tell you that increasing the pace and/or intensity of your workouts may help.

Expend your energy on making the weights go up - If you are having to take thermos or do a bunch of cardio to stay lean, something isn't right...

Perhaps there are other uses for cardio - I'm just saying don't waste time and ENERGY and recovery ability on it for 'fat burning' during a mass phase.

Are you training with enough intensity and rest?

AAS will help with your recovery time, so you should be training harder and possibly more frequently while on then when you were off. Don't exceed the abilities of your connective tissue, AAS doesn't help with that. That takes time.

Are you maybe just holding water? I know on my first cycle I was bloated as hell... But it was water, not fat.

There is a ton of information on how to eat, what to eat, when to eat. Basically, try and split it up into smaller meals throughout the day. Some people find it helps to eat their protein and carbohydrate in separate meals.

One simple thing - try cutting back on the carbs a little bit. Not too much, but try cutting back. Add them back in if you start feeling tired and weak.

Originally posted by vibrantred94gt
Clean diet here 100% bro. chicken breasts, turkey, the leanest hamburger, brown rice, wheat past, you name it , it is clean.

[vibrantred94gt]

Yes I train very hard and yes my workouts go fast. I am dripping in sweat when I am done. I lift as heavy as possible and then go heavier.

I think I just upped the calories to high...plain and simple. I can partly tell because I would be stuffed, all day, litterally stuffed. I shouldn't eat till I'm stuffed. Only till full.

I think some of it might be water, but how do you tell for sure? I screwed up by uping the cals when I started the cycle. I can't accruatly tell what gains are fat/water/muscle this way. I am taking nolva to help a little with the bloat, just in case, but how do I know for sure.

[slowtwitch]

The nolva will help.

Holding water makes you look and feel puffy all over.

[CubanJuice]

Most newbies overeat on their first cycle (me one of them) my cousing who introduced me to this world did the same thing on his first cycle all because we are led to believe that the juice won't allow to us to get fat while you eat junk.... Based on my experience, no matter what weight I'm at, I can maintain weight/muscle at 1850-2000k/day and very very few carbs (45g). For me to drop any weight I have to go to extremes (1500-1600/day w18g carb). Based on that I will eat a small surplus on my next cycle.
Next time I won't bite into the eat like an animal to grow. I can grow without juice eating like that but also gain fat quikly. Not my goal.
For example, my next cycle will be test at 500wk. I'm planing on eating clean starting at 2300k/day and 100-150carbs/day diferent gi depending on time of the day then see where it goes from there. Will be keeping my eye on the meassuring tape.
Cardio a must. I feel better and helps me control cholesterol and bp, 2 things that get affected in a cycle. It also aliviates some of the calorie spill over if any.
I will also take enough anti-e's to keep bloat and other e sides down. Not interested at all on water gains...

[vibrantred94gt]

So when is a good time to eat simple carbs, like lowfat yogurt, aples, bananas, can I mix some with every meal?

[CubanJuice]

Simple carbs are advised post (a must) and also pre-workout (arguably)... Keep in mind fructouse (the sugars in fruits) has a high GI so it takes longer to digest, thus not the best choice for post-w. The rest of the day you should eat complex carbs (yams, brown rice, potatoes, oatmeal, (usually meals with carbs and high soluble fiber content) to slow its digestion and keep your blood sugar steady and glycogen stores plenty.

[vibrantred94gt]

I use dextrose post workout. I want to know if its okay to throw an apple in with every meal, or a lowfat yogurt.