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  • #31
    ok, I let this thread run and looks like alot of views are present here , I thank you all.......I have come to terms for now. I am presently trying other means and yes it includes pHs. They are legal for now so I won't jeopardize my marriage and deny my little girl (my most precious possession!) of having both parents at home...."for now that is" I realize alot of people say pHs have alot of sides , they even say worse than AAS . But either way , with phs or aas , you have to watch your ass!!! and know your sh@t don't you ? And yes I have had very good results with 4 androstenediol supplements. I am maintaining a weight of 240 lbs and increasing my bench everyday. AAS was awesome when I used it. I even miss the ass hurting (lol) but I would rather go legal for now then worry about another ass hurt , if you all know what I am saying lmfao.. I wasn't trying to start a pissing contest here, I just missed talking on the boards and trusted some fellow bros to come up with ideas for me to run through my head to solve my problems.......and as for other supplements coming out (namely Dynabolics) I have learned with time, that to try out a new supplement , then bad mouth it is fine . But to not even have tried it and say it is bunk well , that just don't make sense to me.....I have tried gear..and luv it...I have tried prohormones and have had good results and I am currently trying Dynabolics and it is too soon to tell (only about 20 days on ) so I don't know yet but I am losing body fat and maintaining my wt .....so who knows...I have pissed alot more $$$ down the toilet then $79 in mail order gear ...I have also taken kyno and gotten good results and used site oils on my arms ( hurts like a ***** lol) so I have been around .... I have tried alot of stuff and like a bro has said in this post ...growth doesn't only rely on the supplementation, you have to have a good workout and diet not to mention plenty of rest. So if something is not workiing for you , I would ask myself if I did my absolute "best" to accomplish what I set my sites on before badmouthing the methods......thanx goes out to all the bros that provided constructive info in this thread and God bless you all ....Hope your holiday season went well for you......I will be around......
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    If you don't have time to pump the weights then pump a chick instead.

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    • #32
      just do a low dose of test and shhhhhhh

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      • #33
        I heard that the new M1T is good. Vpx even makes it, people say they are getting good gains.
        Life's Simple!
        EAT!!! SLEEP!! TRAIN!!!
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        • #34
          hola

          Originally posted by AnotherUser
          You can get 4-AD Cypionate, 19-Nordiol Cypionate, and 1-Test cypionate, all legal powders. Buy a conversion kit and get injecting www.1fast400.com Oh yeah, I wouldn't really recommend the 1-Test cypionate. I could only get it up to 200mg/ml I got 4-AD cypionate at 400mg/ml. Haven't tried the 19-Nordiol. Yet.
          where can i get the conversion kit...at ressearch kit ...any help after i get the kit for trial and error...and i will be taken it with m1-t ...the thread started good but it whent to helllllll...

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          • #35
            hola

            Originally posted by basskiller
            would your wife be comfortable with you doing pro-hormones?

            I would rather try to get you where you want to be naturally, then to jeapordize your marriage

            but if not... http://www.researchkits.com has what your looking for under "pro-hormone"
            well am not that brilliant on this but herd that 1test cypionate...4ad cypionate are the best because they are injectible....& cost efective where can i get the best quality of these product ..i went to site R.k but do not onder stand my english is not that good...can u direct me in what kit i have to buy to convert this products Gracias amigo

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            • #36
              DUDE,do some gear and dont let your wife know about it.there are many of us who have wifes that dont approve. it is your life too,just dont let her know.

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              • #37
                the girl im datign said she doesnt care.......she likes me bigger....

                does this dude even post on here any more???
                Stuck in the Desert.

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                • #38
                  Re: hola

                  Originally posted by felix
                  where can i get the conversion kit...at ressearch kit ...any help after i get the kit for trial and error...and i will be taken it with m1-t ...the thread started good but it whent to helllllll...
                  Felix, como estas? Cual typo de prohormone quieres usar? Pienso que el kit de s-type es que necesitas pero no estoy seguro.

                  Recuerdas a postar tus expieriencias con prohormones.

                  Chao

                  Bros, is the s-type kit what Feliz needs? I'm thinking yes, but what the hell do I know?!
                  I like my women like I like my coffee. Sweet, hot and from Colombia!

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                  Me: "Because I can..."

                  Yes, that's the gf in my avatar... YES, she's less than half my age, NO I don't care...

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                  • #39
                    Prohormones are just as good as steroids period! I've used both. Like you I got into some trouble so I decided to go the legal route. So far here are the things I've found that work really well. 1-test and 4-ad injectables by desinger labs and methyl-1 test. I'd have to say methyl-1 test will go toe to toe with pretty much any of your favorite steroids such ad dbol. Also I know it will smoke alot of legal steroids such as anavar, winny, deca, and even dbol. The only substances I've used that will beat it is tren and anadrol. But my opinion might change. I'm only a little past my third week and the strength is really starting to climb with only 20mgs ed. So mg for mg its definatley stronger than tren.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by jstrong20
                      Prohormones are just as good as steroids period! I've used both. Like you I got into some trouble so I decided to go the legal route. So far here are the things I've found that work really well. 1-test and 4-ad injectables by desinger labs and methyl-1 test. I'd have to say methyl-1 test will go toe to toe with pretty much any of your favorite steroids such ad dbol. Also I know it will smoke alot of legal steroids such as anavar, winny, deca, and even dbol. The only substances I've used that will beat it is tren and anadrol. But my opinion might change. I'm only a little past my third week and the strength is really starting to climb with only 20mgs ed. So mg for mg its definatley stronger than tren.
                      First off, your opening statement is wrong. PH, have a place in bb'ing, but no way in hell are they as good, or even as close as AAS! Second, 1-test, in all varietys is a steroid, not a pH! And for your information, anavar,winny,deca, and d-bol are illegall in the us and Canada. Who told you they were legal?
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                      • #41
                        Re: Re: hola

                        Originally posted by Extranero
                        Felix, como estas? Cual typo de prohormone quieres usar? Pienso que el kit de s-type es que necesitas pero no estoy seguro.

                        Recuerdas a postar tus expieriencias con prohormones.

                        Chao

                        Bros, is the s-type kit what Feliz needs? I'm thinking yes, but what the hell do I know?!
                        esto gracias por responder...bro ...Y muy buena pregunta ...no tengo experiecia con prohormone...pero creo que es mas seguro & less or if not no sides .....esto yo quiero convertir 4Ad cypionate & 1test cypionate....y esto necesito saber como convertirlo por ejemplo 200mg ml per cc ...o en 400mg etc...on my research and still working on it 20mg m1t 2w on & 1w off and 400mg 1test cy & 400Ad cy for 10w & if nececeri anti e....well hope here from u somebody told me about anabolicminds.com lots of info on prohormones am going overder now

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                        • #42
                          Re: Re: Re: hola

                          Originally posted by felix
                          esto gracias por responder...bro ...Y muy buena pregunta ...no tengo experiecia con prohormone...pero creo que es mas seguro & less or if not no sides .....esto yo quiero convertir 4Ad cypionate & 1test cypionate....y esto necesito saber como convertirlo por ejemplo 200mg ml per cc ...o en 400mg etc...on my research and still working on it 20mg m1t 2w on & 1w off and 400mg 1test cy & 400Ad cy for 10w & if nececeri anti e....well hope here from u somebody told me about anabolicminds.com lots of info on prohormones am going overder now
                          Bueno. En esta momento 1test cypionate y 4Ad cypionate son legales, pero los dos son steriods. Anti-e siempre, bro!

                          Buscas www.basskilleronline.com por mas informacion sobre convertirlos.

                          Donde estas?
                          I like my women like I like my coffee. Sweet, hot and from Colombia!

                          "I can explain it to you, I can't understand it for you" - Ed Koch

                          My ex-wife: "Why do you date a 20 year old?"
                          Me: "Because I can..."

                          Yes, that's the gf in my avatar... YES, she's less than half my age, NO I don't care...

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                          • #43
                            Re: Re: Re: Re: hola

                            Originally posted by Extranero
                            Bueno. En esta momento 1test cypionate y 4Ad cypionate son legales, pero los dos son steriods. Anti-e siempre, bro!

                            Buscas www.basskilleronline.com por mas informacion sobre convertirlos.

                            Donde estas?
                            yo estoy en NUEVA YORK......and am with u i love my spanish woman ...there the most sexiest, beautiful,exotic looking in the world and i can prove that...hispanic girls has hit miss univers around 10 times ..beside other thing that make them the best am geting horny right now gust thinking about them :2gunsfiri

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by pigmeat
                              First off, your opening statement is wrong. PH, have a place in bb'ing, but no way in hell are they as good, or even as close as AAS! Second, 1-test, in all varietys is a steroid, not a pH! And for your information, anavar,winny,deca, and d-bol are illegall in the us and Canada. Who told you they were legal?
                              You must of misunderstood my post. Yes I know steroids such as dbol ect are illegal. I said I go the legal route now. This doesn't mean that I always did. You are correct 1-test is a steroid but I will continue to throw it in prohormone disccusions because its legal. Also have you ever injected 4-ad? Well I have and can say for sure it will give way better results than winny at 100mgs ed and dbol at 50mgs ed. When I said prohormones are as effective as dbol of course I ment methyl-1 test which yes I know is a true legal steroid. So I guess technicaly I can't say prohormones are as effective as dbol so let me rephrase the statement. Their is now legal alternatives that are as effective if not more that some of their illegal counterparts.

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                              • #45
                                There was no misunderstanding your opening statement that "prohormones are just as good as steroids" You also said "that m1-t will smoke alot of LEGAL steroids such as anavar, winny, and deca". No bro, I didnt misunderstand your post. I read it just as it was wrote.
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