over 50 grams of protine is a waste?????

[kolprit]

i think if ur using it goes uop and after u lift it goes up as well

[YellowJacket]

Originally posted by Data
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Edited -> I agree with those who consume excess protein to guarantee that they are getting enough. I understand the logic. I just don't follow it myself since I am a poor student!

You aint alone & Im not even a student

[smalls]

Yellow Jacket, you said whey has a higher chance of being excreted. Can you explain how exactly it is extreted and why this would happen. The nutrition and physiology classes I have taken and books I have read all state that the digestive system has no set limits to absorption.

Now obviously if you take in so much that your body cannot produce enough pepsin, and other digestive enzymes to effectively digest all of it and some may pass through the small intestine but your body also has breaking systems in the small intestine to stop that from happening. And who is to say what that amount is that is too much. I am not calling you out or anything, as I agree with most of what you say. I just skimmed through this post and saw that and thought you could clarrify it.

[YellowJacket]

Originally posted by smalls
Yellow Jacket, you said whey has a higher chance of being excreted. Can you explain how exactly it is extreted and why this would happen. The nutrition and physiology classes I have taken and books I have read all state that the digestive system has no set limits to absorption.

Maybe Im being too simplisitic here but whey in water will digest much quicker than milk (casein) mainly because the casein forms a gel in the stomach. This is why whey is ideal post workout

(somehow I dont think this is what you're after but Im not real sure what you are after)

[tinytim]

i dont realyl know what any of your diets are like for cutting.......given this
should protine intake still be the same whil cutting................
or do ya taken in more to give you body something to use for energy since carbs are being cut out.....(if thats how we work)
i dont know much about this i could have it all wrong but just trying to figure it out

[AnotherUser]

My protein intake is the same for cutting. I just slightly lower fats and drastically lower carbs.

[AnotherUser]

newgirl,
If nothing else, data is sure as hell right about people not eating according to the "food pyramid." How many people do you know that can tell you what it consists of? I probably know 2. People could care less what the government recommends to eat. The only thing they can remember is "I can eat anything that doesn't have lots of fat." Ha. And people don't even go by this rule. They just want whatever tastes good.

And besides, I believe the food pyramid CAN work on an average individual if the right choices are made from each group. Remember, not all carbohydrates are created equal. I know bodybuilders who consume 400+g of carbs while dieting and do a DAMN GOOD JOB of getting ripped.

[Data]

You’re right, the vast majority of people do not read the nutritional science or diet therapy books in universities or colleges for information, they head to the nearest bookstore and pick up the latest fad diet book or read what some celebrity has to say about eating. You are also right that the food pyramid is just a general guideline for the average individual, not a bodybuilder looking to prepare for a contest. Although the principles of health and wellness apply to everyone, a distance athlete looking for super-compensation of glycogen or the bodybuilder who needs to shed water the day of a competition have different needs. I don’t believe that a high protein diet is necessary to build muscle, but a 50/25/25 split or a 40/30/30 split of c/p/f does work well to shed fat. Currently I am cutting. For breakfast I have a cold cereal that consists of 4-5 tbsp of wheat bran, 1-2 tbsp of wheat germ, 1-2 tbsp of uncooked oatmeal, 1 tbsp sunflower seeds or almonds, 1 tbsp raisins, 1 cup of skim milk, 5 oz diced up red apple, and some cinnamon sprinkled on top because of its antioxidant properties and effects on insulin. I also have two hardboiled eggs on a dry whole grain toast. For lunch I have a natural peanut butter sandwich on whole grain bread, a banana, and another cup of skim milk. Maybe twice a week I’ll have a tuna sandwich with 3oz of drained tuna. In the evenings I have a big salad that consists of lettuce, cabbage, broccoli, cucumbers, carrots, tomatoes, sprouts, celery, green peppers, radishes, and various other vegetables. I’ll add some ground beef or chicken to the salad with a tbsp of vinegar and some herbs and spices (antioxidants). If I feel like cheating I’ll have a tbsp or two of bacon bits to the salad. Before bed I have another two hardboiled eggs on a dry toast, a cup of skim milk, a handful of peanuts, and some nutritional supplements like Udo’s EFA oil, a multi vitamin & mineral, some grape seed extract, etc. Throughout the day I drink two liters of herbal teas such as green tea or whatever

[newgirl]

Well I have to agree with the sentiment that alot of Americans are not mindful as to what they do put in their mouthes -- regardless of food pyramids, RDA recommendations and doctor's/dietitians/nutritionists advice.

And yes indeed, it is not a mature science (diet and nutrition). Unfortunately our studies that define the data are very commonly victimized by our capitalist structure. Studies that conclude that a certain thing is good for you is often a study that has been given a grant from an interested party.....the most memorable was the grape growers consortium that funded the findings that wine is a heart healthy additive to your meals becuase of the level of tannins that it contains.

I will not bash the medical community and apologize if seemingly it came across as if I did.

I will say however, that I was never someone who ate fast food, nor did I ate candy, chips etc. but I was also someone who ate alot of starches (in various forms from simple to complex carbs) and the minute that I began to lower my intake of these items and consume about 150g of protein a day, I began to see my body change for the better.

The amount of muscle I was able to build and the about of fat I was able to drop was not dramatic that you would not recognize me but at 5'7 and formerly 150-155 pounds, I was in a size 12 or 14.....now at 150, I typically can wear a 4 or 6 (unless these quads need to fit into slim legs -- than nothing will fit that is off the rack).

I apologize for being debative -- however eating enough protein is critical to building and keeping muscle whether using steriods or not.

The title of the thread maintains that more than 50gs of protein a day is a waste as published by a nutritionist -- however that cannot hold true for the bbing community at large.

And to clarify, I did not say that all carbs are created equal in refernece to the post that some bbers can cut and be ripped to shreds eating 400gs (or whatever amount you posted) of carbs. Depending on that subject's weight, level of training and activity and the QUALITY of those carbs -- YES I agree it is possible to consume them and not gain bodyfat. (Hell my husband can eat endless bags of M&Ms, cookies, pretzels and ice cream during 2 week crunch for his pre-vetinerary finals, and look as lean as ever.)

[tinytim]

Originally posted by newgirl

The title of the thread maintains that more than 50gs of protein a day is a waste as published by a nutritionist -- however that cannot hold true for the bbing community at large.

proly just a mistype but .....the thread was about eating more then 50 g of protein in one sitting (meal)
i didnt mean to confuse the subject hope this helps.