Ldex question

[italia215]

im starting my 8wk cutting routine and im throwing in some test to help me keep my muscle and hopefully put on a few pounds of lean while im at it. ive got a couple good cutting cycles under my belt and this time im running ONLY test to see what kind of results i get off it. i loved fina but i dont really feel like ed injects ritght now . so anyways, i'll be running 500mg of test enanthate a week. would .25 Ldex a day be enough or should i bump it up to .5mg?? also should i keep running it the same dosage through clomid??

thanks

[Dragon]

Yes, keep running same dose with clomid. Start with .25mg, you'll know if you need more.

[italia215]

thanks bro. the reason im asking is because im thinking of splitting a bottle of Ldex with my buddy to save some cash. id get roughly 8.5wks out of half a bottle @ .25 a day. im not real prone to gyno so i was thinking of just starting the ldex around wk 3 or 4 so i can run it through my post theropy. the main reason i want to add this to my cycle is to help out with water retention and mainly acne.
hows that sound??

[prolangtum]

I really dont think running liquidex will do any good post cycle, i would drop it.

[mcbvr6]

I would run it at .25 mgs right from the start all the way through your post-cycle. Most of your water-weight from the test will come on in the first couple of weeks. Arimidex is better at keeping water off than it is at getting rid of it once it is there. I know it's tempting to try and save a buck, but get a bottle for yourself and use it the whole time. If you are doing a 10 week cycle of enanthate you are going to need to be on arimidex for 15-16 weeks depending upon how you do your post-cycle.

[italia215]

^^thanks bro that's what im gonna do. liquidex is just liquid arimdex right??

[mcbvr6]

Originally posted by italia215
^^thanks bro that's what im gonna do. liquidex is just liquid arimdex right??

yep - same stuff, different form.

[prolangtum]

Originally posted by mcbvr6
I would run it at .25 mgs right from the start all the way through your post-cycle. Most of your water-weight from the test will come on in the first couple of weeks. Arimidex is better at keeping water off than it is at getting rid of it once it is there. I know it's tempting to try and save a buck, but get a bottle for yourself and use it the whole time. If you are doing a 10 week cycle of enanthate you are going to need to be on arimidex for 15-16 weeks depending upon how you do your post-cycle.

would you explain your reasoning behind running it post-cycle?

[Dragon]

Yes, and arimidex has shown to be very effective in post cycle recovery.

[Scottexercise]

What up Bro, see you on here lately. Here is my feed back on your cyc. Enan is the caddy of tst, I am a hard gainer so I can take that even at higher doses and still be hard and veiny. IF it was me I wouldn't worry about a lot of water from it cuz you said your on a get lean program which I'm sure includes cardio. If you are prone to water and you will know, then go ahead w/liq at a rate that works for you. I wouldn't use any personally. Probably recomend some hcg at the end just to keep momma happy! good luck Bro!

[prolangtum]

Originally posted by Dragon
Yes, and arimidex has shown to be very effective in post cycle recovery.

where? how so?

[Dragon]

It prevents estrogenic rebound at the hypo and pituitary due to Free Circulating Estrogen and speeds HPTA recovery.

[mcbvr6]

Originally posted by prolangtum
would you explain your reasoning behind running it post-cycle?

By "post cycle" I mean through the end of clomid or nolva (whichever you shose). On enanthate it will be active for 3 weeks after your last shot, so it makes since to continue the arimidex through that period. Additionally, when you are doing your post-cycle work (clomid or nolva) you have very low test in your system and you are producing estrogen as a result of the stimulation of your gonads from the clomid. Accordingly, you are at a risk of gyno during this period. Also, it keeps down the clomid-acne - which makes it worthwhile on that basis alone.

But, I'm not a doctor and only know what I read and learn from experience. I know I use pretty high doses and have for some time, yet I don't have gyno and I take arimidex all the way through the end of clomid. That is enough to convince me, but if you have evidence to the contrary I would like to see it. Arimidex is expensive and I would rather use as little as possible.

[prolangtum]

Posted by SWALE, an actual doctor on CEM:
You run the risk of damaging your Lipid Profile when you drive estrogen levels too low with an anti-aromatase. I suspect a lot of guys are actually doing this, although they are on the right track to control estrogen from going to high in the first place. This is also why I do not advocate using an aromatase inhibiter post-cycle.

The SERM's, on the other hand, actually improve the Lipid Profile. Just to be sure, they are the only type of anti-E that should be employed post-cycle.

[prolangtum]

Posted by Nandi:
The second reason is SHBG. SHBG levels are very low post cycle and stay low for weeks or months, depending on your cycle. The level of SHBG determines your total testosterone level. If SHBG is depressed and testosterone starts to recover, the elevated free test will act in a negative feedback manner to suppress test production, prolonging recovery.

Estrogen elevates SHBG, allowing for higher total test levels. If you block estrogen production post cycle with an aromatase inhibitor, you will only prolong the suppression of SHBG, which will prolong your recovery. I have seen this phenomenon in post cycle blood tests sent to me by members for interpretation