First time Steroid user

[PIT]

40# is that all.?

[PIT]

I have posted this before but it was a while ago so here it is again, good info if you really want to gain,I was in the same boat until i discovered the power of FOOD. Now i cant go more than 3 hours without eating or I get a gut ache. here ya are....

OK quick growing schedule ((NEVER GO BELOW)) these ---(Pro-tein=1.5-2grams per/lb of body weight---Carbs (simple & complex= all fibrous, starches and sugars) .5-1.5grams per/lb of body weight..... Fat never go over =.5g per/lb of body weight unless your dropping carbs in place of FAT and hopefully they are Monounsaturated fats (there are good fats that your body loves to use as fuel and more efficient than some carbs...
Ok a little confusing...but I can explain
Carbs-when your on AS you should be eating if sugar -only simple sugar (fruits) if starch-try non-process if possible (rice, grains,)
Protein- (whey, soy, or casinates-well first start by eating real food then add the predigested amino-acids laters "prot-ein" if beef keep it lean cut(no fat) chicken (baked, grilled, boiled), fish(anything you can stand just watch out for blue cat, I swear there’s more fat than muscle in that boy)
Fats-(no saturated) the only thing you should shove down your gutter is mono and poly unsaturated fats.
Quick school...saturated fats are from your animal products the fat off meat & dairy, plan and simple the fat your made up of. WATCH OUT FOR hydrogenized fats these are in bought baked goods basically they taste real good but you will take a few days to burn…. (Monounsaturated -ex...omega3, flax seed, natural seed oil) (poly-ex... green leaf plants)

When cycling there is a common rule of thumb for the average non Pro bb’er at 4000 cals and higher and you have to grow...fat or muscle... Well... that’s up to your dosing, that’s right think of eating just like your dosing, nailing, popping ect.
I train a body part every four days and hard days are still and have always been leg day and back/chest...
Light days are arms days, stomach & calves and days off day.
Fuck my training though... for you on your
: Heavy days-calories 4000-6000 & up
Light days – calories 2500-4500
Ok… simplify even more… for growing not cutting keep it around 5000-4000 calories on average.
Calories per gram of Prot-ein, Carbohydrate, Fats: 1gram carbohydrate = 3.75 calories /1 gram prot-ein = 4 calories/ 1 gram fat = 9 calories /1 gram alcohol = 7 calories

Now,(time of day) is important… it’s not easy getting 5000 calories in your body a day. So on the heavy days start early... if you do cardio in the morning make sure on a growing cycle start early consumption after the cardio. In the morning get some whey predigested pro-tein. So it gets into your body quick then try and start a schedule that is consistent to eating every two hours, make sure you have a cut off point of real food consumption in the evening the last thing is make sure and intake a slower metabolized prot-ein before bed... so use a casinate (egg prot-ein is what I use)
You want fast metabolizing prot-ein before and after work out…(whey pro-tein no added carbs)
"Casinate the last intake" you want your body to recover but not turn fast metabolizing prot-ein into fat storage so use a slow metabolizing to feed you through the night

for me personally….Simply( All predigested pro-tein drinks are solely <a pro-tein and dextrose, virtually carb free)
-Prot-ein in morning
-Rest of day you should have balance of carb (simple & complex), pro-tein (soy & whey) and fat (mono and poly unsaturated)
-Fast metabolizing pro-tein before, during and after work out at least 1hr to 2hrs is good before workout/ during make sure you at least consume an 1/8 of your body weight in grams of pro-tein/ after workout (a dextrose/ prot-ein mix -- no matter how many time you train a day)
Slow metabolizing prot-ein at night (casinate- egg whites, egg prot-ein)

[PIT]

Extreme Eating for Mass By Jason Mueller Bodybuilders are constantly in search of substances that will increase anabolism. We take our creatine, glutamine, pyruvate, and a host of other nutritional supplements in our quest for more muscle. Bodybuilders who choose to go the "enhanced" route are always searching for the anabolic drug that will take their physique to the next level. With all of the means at our disposal to increase muscular bodyweight, one simple fact often gets overlooked. Food is the most anabolic substance we can put in our bodies. What separates pro-bodybuilders from the rest of us? I know that people like to engage in discussions about aesthetics, muscle maturity, and symmetry. However, it's painfully obvious that the primary difference is muscular size. It's amusing for me to hear competitors talk about how great their symmetry is despite the fact that they don't have enough muscle to win a local qualifier. Muscular size is the primary indicator of success in bodybuilding competition. With regular certainty, the largest man on stage wins the show. Over the past several years, there has been a push inside the supplement industry towards low-calories mass building. We've seen "lean-mass" products appear on the market, with all of the major supplements companies like Met-RX and EAS advocating their MRP's as a way to add lean tissue without gaining additional fat. It is no longer en vogue to bulk-up in the off-season, the industry line that is touted in the magazines these days is that athletes rarely stray too far from their contest bodyweights. With the advent of these new nutritional technologies, it is now possible to be both massively muscled and lean at all times. Horseshit!!! The truth is that the pictures seen in the various bodybuilding publications are all taken immediately before or after contests. It is not uncommon to see a bodybuilder put on 20+ lbs the day after a contest! Most bodybuilding aficionados don't have the slightest idea of what these athletes look like 95% of the year. It's mistakenly assumed that these guys always look fairly lean and chiseled. Nothing could be further from the truth. By attempting to stay lean year-round, you are sabotaging your goals to become as muscular as humanly possible. Athletes who constantly chase more muscle while worrying about body fat levels will never gain the muscle they need to achieve their goals. Let's consider this question: Which is harder to build, fat or muscle? Obviously, muscle. Next question. Which is easier to lose, fat or muscle? For those of you that said muscle, sorry, wrong answer, thanks for playing. Once muscle is built it's a fairly easy proposition to maintain it while dieting off body fat. I honestly can't fault anyone for following these "lean mass" programs. Being bloated and fat in the off-season isn't any fun. If any of you have had the chance to see Lee Priest in the off-season, you'll know what I mean. The man is nearly unrecognizable from the contest and ad pictures we constantly see in the various publications. Lee doesn't get just a little heavy, he gets fat. It don't think he would be offended if I say he looks like a lop of shit. However, when the fat comes off, and it surely does every year, Lee's physique is amazing. If you talk to Lee, and ask him what his secret to success is, he'll tell you. It's food. So, why all the secrecy and smoke and mirrors surrounding the nutritional profiles of these athletes? One simple reason. Money. Money from endorsements, contracts, and ad work. Say I'm an up and coming national level bodybuilder. I'm eating over 7,000 calories a day. In order to do this, I'm consuming a lot of fatty foods, hell, I'm eating McDonalds and ice cream as much as possible. Why? Because I cannot physically consume that level of caloric intake in clean, low-fat foods. It cannot be done. However, do the supplement companies want their customers to know this? Of course not. Look, it's an accepted premise that all national and professional level bodybuilders take steroids, right? However, it's something that's never discussed in the supplement industry, and bodybuilders get paid to endorse products. So, they lie. My success is based largely on the fact that I use XYZ Protein. I was able to compete 20 lb heavier at this year's Mr. O because I was taking Sportgear prohormones. Whatever. My point isn't that nutritional supplements don't have their place, they certainly do. (We'll discuss that in a feature article in next month's issue of Anabolic Extreme) My point is that professional bodybuilders are used because there is a large segment of the population that would like to emulate that look. If they can be made to believe that look is obtained through clean eating and sports supplements, who's hurt, right? I've seen so many genetically gifted bodybuilders fail in the quest to achieve greatness. 9 times out of 10 the culprit is nutrition. Specifically, the problem is not consuming enough calories. I can't tell you how many times I've had an athlete come to me who has hit a plateau. I modify their nutrition slightly and they are growing again. People, you are not going to achieve brutal muscle size on 3,500 kcal a day!! I don't care what anyone else tells you, I've seen it fail and I know it doesn't work. All successful national and professional level bodybuilders eat all day long. In the off-season their only concern is getting those meals in and eating enough protein. Anyone can train intensely given the right circumstances and knowledge. Any fool can jab themselves with steroids. However, there are very few people in the sport of bodybuilding that are consistently able, day in and day out, to eat their 6-8 meals a day and consume enough calories to reach anabolic extreme. (Please refer to the Ian Harrison interview in this month's issue for Ian's thoughts on off-season bodybuilding nutrition) What are your goals as a bodybuilder? Is it your goal to have an aesthetically pleasing physique, staying relatively lean year round? Or is it to carry as much muscle as your genetic potential will allow? One goal is not nobler than the other, but they certainly require different strategies. While it is possible to stay relatively lean year round once a desired level of muscle has been achieved, it is not possible to do this while trying to gain the muscle initially. Unless extraordinary circumstances are present, muscle cannot be added and fat lost at the same time!! The conditions necessary for this to happen are so rare and require so many drugs that it's not worthy of discussion in this article. Muscle is gained by eating over and above what is required for maintenance. Fat is lost by eating less than what is required for maintenance. It's virtually impossible to gain muscle without adding some concomitant fat, conversely, it's almost impossible to lose fat without losing concomitant muscle tissue. These are the irrefutable facts. We see a lot of huge professional bodybuilders in the off-season that would not be characterized as "fat" in the normal sense of the word. They are fat only by bodybuilding standards. As I'm writing this, it's Wednesday, November 17, 1999. Last Saturday I was lucky enough to see Ronnie Coleman in Sacramento, CA. Ronnie competes close to 260 lbs at a height of about 5'10". When I saw him, he was weighing in at about 305 lb still appearing to be fairly lean, just weeks after his wins at some major European shows. The whole time I was at this event, Ronnie was eating. Burgers, fries, you name it, he ate it. In a few months, he should well over 320, eating everything in site in his attempt to add more muscle. This is 60+ lb over his competition bodyweight. It's also what is necessary to continue to grow. Report this post to a

[prolangtum]

Jason Mueller's plan=A good way to get fat

[YellowJacket]

Originally posted by prolangtum
Jason Mueller's plan=A good way to get fat

No shit- Eating for mass, what he failed to mention is most of its adipose cells...


Just eat like its your job, cleanly.

[34pumped]

test cypionate or enthanhate is best imo....i used 400 cyp and gained alot my first

[PIT]

Better than not gaining at all.

[Gearo]

Great post Pit !!!

[machine99]

Originally posted by Governor
you need to eat about twice that much and get 3 times the protein. You are also under-hydrated. drink at least 3 times that much water.

Dont even worry about steroids.

I agree aim for 300grams a day at least. @ 125lbs. that should help you grow, if you feel your not gaining fast enough eat more. If you spend the money you would spend on a cycle on groceries you'll be fine. Also how is your training?

[Mudge]

I hope that its been said but it bears repeating.

There are 3 ways to gain weight. Burn less calories, eat more, or water retention (sodium, etc).

Drugs simply help make you more "anabolic", you are going to have to eat to gain the weight other than water weight and some muscular gains, if you want 20-40 pounds your going to have to eat like a mother, litterally.

Protein protein protein, also very important. Positive nitrogen balance is what helps keep the meat you have now and build new hamburger as well. This means intake some form of protein about every 3 hours, 6 times a day, and try to take it with some fats/carbs, carbs are going to be very important for you to gain weight as well since your caloric intake is obviously too low for your apperantly very nasty fast metabolism.

DOGGCRAP is over 6k calories per day on the average, I believe he said he started out around 137 pounds or so? He is near 300 last I heard. Manfred Hoeberl said the same, if his calories drop he drops weight instantly, its something your going to have to live with.

[football54]

Originally posted by SINA
see my diet is like this. As soon as I wake-up I eat 2 eggs with a glass of milk, and after 1:30 h, I eat another egg sandwitch, then after 2h, I eat pure rice with ground beef, another 2h a sandwitch, then 3h after I eat another sandwitch, and I sometimes I eat before I got to bed, and I drink at least 2 litres of water everyday. I kind of started this diet around 2 monthes, but I don't see much results, I also take creatine, I forgot to mention that I smoke pot everyday, but not heavly, I smoke late nights. You guys are saying that I should take TEST, but I've never heard of it, and how much wieght will I gain with the proper diet exercise. When I work out, sometimes I over do it, I go to the gym at least 3 times a week.

U just said you have never herd of test? what do ya think enth, sus, cyp all these are test.

U are only eating maybe 1000cal a day and thats nothing. You need to eat like 8000cal a day. Go any buy cal shakes ones that are like 1000+ per shake and drink 3 a day. Eat a steak, 2 taters, chicken brest and a gallon of water, some rice, pasta, and salad and you will put on some good lbs without any gear.

Also putting on 40lb is a lot harder than you think even with steroids. Even if you were to take roids You would not gain 40lbs with your diet

[AnotherUser]

Is this guy kidding? You're 22, can't get over 122 lbs naturally, and ALL you want is 40 lbs? Hell, why be modest. Might as well go for 80.

[PL456]

A) lose the pot..you'll never get the motivation you need to really get after it in the gym if everything's "groovy"--your body needs to be healthy to grow
B) Get a good foundation..only patience and consistency, with or without drugs will get you where you want to go
C) rethink your plan in a year

[GettinBIG]

I voted for Testosterone Cypionate but
enanthate is so similar u could sub one for the other. Sustanon is also an xcellent bulker.

[AS4life]

SINA, i was you not too long ago, my doctor told me that i would have to eat @ least 5000 cal and not do a thing all day to gain weight. My firts cycle was d-bol @25mg/day(ended up at 40mg/day) and test enanthate @ 250mg/wk(ended up with 500mgs/week), i went from a pathetic 123-125 to 145. As soon as i saw results i upped the doses as you can see. read my post in the: "ur nutritional game plan while taking AS" thread.
i'll post a link soon, it's my little secret