ECA - ALA - NYC - ALA R What to do????

[WizeGi]

Well i am looking to get an effective suppliment to aid in my fat loss, what should i do? Out of the above mention items what should i take and should i take thim in conjunction???

Thanks

[YellowJacket]

NYC/ALA is nice. Some say ECA/NYC but thats killer on the CNS and will cause a considerable amount of sides. If you're hardcore, and want to lose a good bit, try some UA.

[Blackfoot]

Originally posted by YellowJacket
NYC/ALA is nice. Some say ECA/NYC but thats killer on the CNS and will cause a considerable amount of sides. If you're hardcore, and want to lose a good bit, try some UA.

What is UA?

[YellowJacket]

Usnic Acid.

[jack hust]

i take eca 3 times ed ,nyc 3 times ed 6 tabb ed,and ala at 3 grs ed

[Speedracer59]

Originally posted by YellowJacket
NYC/ALA is nice. Some say ECA/NYC but thats killer on the CNS and will cause a considerable amount of sides. If you're hardcore, and want to lose a good bit, try some UA.

What sides ? I did ECA/NYC stack swapping them every two weeks it worked great. R-ala is good to put with them.I have not tried it but I hear there is alot of sides with UA. That is why I have not tried it.

[WizeGi]

In what dosages should i do them? With food i assume.

Specs:

23
240
19% BF

[Tinfish]

Last spring i used Clen and ALA together. Worked great for me.

[Speedracer59]

Go by the instructions.Start with the ECA 2wks then alternate the NYC for 2 wks.It depends on which ALA you use as to what the dosages are.R-ala use 100mgs for every 30 carbs.If it is regular I usually take around 1500 mgs. Diet/workout /cardio split are the most important things though.If you dont have these right supplements are a waste.

[abstrack]

cla is good and also L-Carn.

[YellowJacket]

Originally posted by Speedracer59
What sides ? I did ECA/NYC stack swapping them every two weeks it worked great. R-ala is good to put with them.I have not tried it but I hear there is alot of sides with UA. That is why I have not tried it.

Thats what I mean. This is the most effective fat loss method with the 2. If ran at the same time, you'll be stimulating the PNS & SNS considerably and lead to an overload of the CNS causing severe headaches, total loss of appetite. constant fatigue, inability to concentrate, etc.

[Speedracer59]

Originally posted by YellowJacket
Thats what I mean. This is the most effective fat loss method with the 2. If ran at the same time, you'll be stimulating the PNS & SNS considerably and lead to an overload of the CNS causing severe headaches, total loss of appetite. constant fatigue, inability to concentrate, etc.

Yeah I know that. If you ran them at the same time you would probably have a heart attack

[WizeGi]

Originally posted by Speedracer59
Go by the instructions.Start with the ECA 2wks then alternate the NYC for 2 wks.It depends on which ALA you use as to what the dosages are.R-ala use 100mgs for every 30 carbs.If it is regular I usually take around 1500 mgs. Diet/workout /cardio split are the most important things though.If you dont have these right supplements are a waste.

So are you saying to do 2wks ECA/ALA then switch to NYC/ALA. Sorry i just wanna make sure i do it right if i going to do it @ all. Also were can i get ALA - NYC? LAst question, what is teh differeance between R-ALA and ALA? Why choose one over the other, persoanl preferance?

I have adjusted my diet to prepare for this (Thanks again Jack).

[Speedracer59]

Right with the ECA and NYC.What is R-ALA? You also should do searches on this board and research.


Borrowed from 1fast 400.com which is also the place to get r-ala anabolicfitness.com on the nyc.

R-lipoic acid is the biologically active form of alpha lipoic acid. It has been called the mitochondrial antioxidant because it is a key component of mitochondrial dehydrogenase complexes. R-lipoic acid is directly involved in cell metabolism and redox states. R-lipoic acid crosses the blood brain barrier, and helps regulate neuronal calcium homeostasis, scavenges a variety of reactive oxygen species (ROS) while recycling vitamins C, E and glutathione. R-lipoic acid has been shown to regulate pro-inflammatory cytokines, and alter the expression of "toxic genes". R-lipoic acid has been used to treat diabetes and has been recommended as a "neuroprotective agent"

Why do I need it?
If it is naturally occurring within our bodies, then why do we need to take lipoic acid as a supplement? There are at least four good reasons. First, as we age, our bodies lose the ability to synthesize enough Lipoic acid, right at the time when we most need it. Secondly, you cannot get sufficient quantities from your foods. Third, the body produces small amounts of R-Lipoic acid for metabolism that may not be of sufficient quantity to neutralize rising free radical concentrations. Fourth, a minimum amount is necessary for normal metabolic processes. Taking larger amounts, can have pronounced therapeutic effects.

How is R-ALA different from ALA?
I have to get a little technical here in order to make the terminology meaningful. In chemistry, a compound that has four different groups attached to carbon has a plane of asymmetry. That carbon is designated “chiral”, meaning it has “handedness”. That means that the molecule can exist in two different forms that are non super-imposable mirror images of one another. Put your right palm on the back of your left hand. What do you see? Both hands have five fingers, with the same arrangement relative to the thumb and yet the thumbs point in different directions, so the hands are said to be mirror images of one another. Chiral molecules, like hands have this property. One of these isomeric molecules (called stereoisomers or enantiomers) rotates the plane of light in a machine called a polarimeter to the right and is designated dextro or +. The other isomer rotates the plane of light to the left and is called levo or -. There is another consideration when dealing with chiral molecules that places the four different substituents in order of priority. The priority is determined by convention and establishes what is called the ‘Absolute Configuration’ of the molecule. By starting with the highest priority substituent and moving in a clockwise direction to the second highest, and on to the third and fourth designates the molecule R. If you move in the opposite direction, the absolute configuration is S. Molecules in living systems generally exist in only one form. When the same molecule is synthesized, it consists of equal amounts of both forms. Commercially available alpha Lipoic acid is a synthetic product consisting of two forms, the R+ and S- isomers in equal amounts. As we said, naturally occurring Lipoic acid, the type your body makes and requires contains one form, the R-dextro or + form. This gives R-lipoic acid significantly more potency and efficacy. This is because the body recognizes R-lipoic acid and knows how to properly metabolize it, since all the key enzymes are structured to hold only the R-form of lipoic acid.

Does that mean ALA is no good?
Remember, alpha lipoic acid is contains 50% of the natural R-form and 50% of the unnatural S-form. Most of the therapeutic value lies in the R-form. That is the reason why people get results when they take an alpha Lipoic acid supplement.

So if I take half the amount of R-ala compared to ALA, I'll get the same results?
It’s not quite that simple, although until recently researchers thought this was the case. There is new evidence surfacing that the unnatural S-form may actually interfere with the beneficial properties of the R-form. In one study with mice, alpha Lipoic acid at high doses shortened the mean lifespan, but even at low doses, the R- form increased total life-span. So it is best to avoid the S-form altogether in order to achieve maximum benefits.

[WizeGi]

Thanks Guys

NYC and R-ALA in route, your help and info is much appreciated. I will def. keep you posted on how this whole thing shapes up.