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Originally Posted by Michelle Hayden

Primo/Clen=excellent results..winstrol too, but if you tend to get joint pain, especially if your dryin out..of course drink plenty of fluids. Primo and clen work very well together though, but being your a guy, you would have to take at least 500mg per wk or maybe more..you can use it twice a wk, divided into two injects..they used to make an inject-able yohimbine/clen was called Helios i think..perhaps i have the name wrong, but i havent been able to find it anywhere..? You injected it sub-q and fantastic results for cutting..

i havnt seen that (helios) around in forever!!

TweetTren is very strong and very harsh on your body, only run it if you are very serious about bodybuilding. Not a drug for amateurs imo.

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Originally Posted by mpressmc

If you are a beginner, I would hold off on tren and try some others. No sense in jumping straight into the most powerful steroid when you still have, deca, winstrol, primo, eq, etc..

If you do decide to use tren, Id reccomend using ace at 50-100 mg eod and see how you respond to it. If all goes well, then you can raise your dose. You will also want to stack with test, just like anything else.

Great advice here- dont make the error of going at things to fast, plenty of time for that
The main reason a testosterone only cycle is recommended for the first time users is because it is the building block of all future cycles Meaning it forms the base of every good cycle- I usually have beginer use Test for the first 2 or three, or a quick acting oral like dbol- see exmples
TWO (2) SAMPLE STACKS FOR THE NEWBIE

Sample Stack #1

Weeks 1-10: 500mL Testosterone Enanthate WEEKLY

Nolvadex on hand in case of gyno.

Post Cycle Therapy

Clomid therapy three weeks after last sust350 shot ran as follows:

Day 1 - 300mg
Day 2-11 - 100mg/day
Day 12-21 - 50mg/day

#2
Weeks 1-4: Sustanon 250 Shot either every other day (1/2 mL) or 1mL twice weekely on either Sunday / Wednesday or Monday / Thursday.

Weeks 1-4: Dbol (20-25mg)

Nolvadex on hand in case of gyno. Alternatively, you can run 10mg daily throughout your cycle.

Post Cycle Therapy

Clomid therapy three weeks after last sust350 shot ran as follows:

Day 1 - 300mg
Day 2-11 - 100mg/day
Day 12-21 - 50mg/day


also, did you see Powerpresses post- Tren shuts you down hard- no disrespect, but normally when I make fun of beginners the most absurd thing is a tren only cycle.This tells me that you need to research way way more and I dotn mean posting on the forums. Think about it like this - you're doing a stack of testosterone enanthate and dianabol - you feel the signs and symptoms of gyno coming along. So you fix the problem by taking by taking 20-30 mg of Nolvadex or 100 mg of Clomid (which you intelligently kept on hand) daily until the problem subsides and a few days after just to be safe. So the next time you cycle - you use only testosterone enanthate to avoid the aromotization problems brought upon by the addition of the dianabol tabs the first time out. But guess what? It wasn't the test that was aromatizing after all - it was the dianabol. Now with testosterone only, you are still getting the signs and symptoms of gyno and must once again control the substance with use of an anti estrogen. Had you known you were gyno prone with the testosterone you could have better planned this second cycle and worked out a stack to your advantage and possibly even eliminated or greatly reduced the risks of re-ocurring gyno. If you start cycling with a stack, you won't have any way of knowing which steroids are causing which side effects.

Another reason why testosterone only is a good first cycle - it's your first cycle! Why go overkill? You'll grow like a weed off testosterone only with correct nutrition and training - hell, even without it! In a study done by Bhasin and co-workers1, men with no weight training whatsoever made increases in fat-free mass (4KG or 8.8 lbs), increases in triceps mass (400 mm or 1.6"), increases in quadriceps mass (600 mm or 2.4"), and added 10KG (22.2 lbs) on their bench press and 20KG (44.4 to their squat. It's TESTOSTERONE after all. You're injecting HORMONES into yourself. Don't let the quantity fool you - a mL of cyanide will kill you the same way as minimal amounts of steroids will make you grow. Your virgin androgen receptors will eat it up. Why use more when you'll get the same results off less? What's the point? It's just a big waste of time and money. The last thing you want to do is develop a tolerance so that you are required more quantity in the future.

Testosterone may be a strong androgen, but the side effects are very easily controlled for almost all of them with a few simple ancillaries.

With any steroids you take you are going to shut down your natural testosterone production and this can lead to short term impotence and testicular atrophy (short term if your post cycle therapy is sound!). Deca and Trenbolone are not the only ones that cause this (any drug can when not accompanied by testosterone). Deca and Trenbolone are just the most common and most complained about for this type of thing.