Tweetwhats some opinions, i am running Clen right now and nothing else and it was suggested as a stack with the Clen from a friend, what are some of you guys/gals thoughts? i finished my Test cycle the first of May and finished my PCT in the 3rd week of June.

TweetI would have to use a Test with Tren. Tren will shut you down pretty hard.

TweetRun it with test if you do. Also alot of ppl get night sweats well I get all effing day sweating my azz off sweats so if your like me im pretty sure the thermogenic effects might be something to pay attention to. I've never run clen so im not sure how much it effects your body temperature tho. Maybe worth a try.

TweetNight sweats, and yes run it with test. Plus it has caused many people that is prone to gyno have sore nipples and lumps. So just have some stuff on hand when you do this cycle. It is good stuff. You will see some lean mass from it. But the shots hurt, or has me every time.

Tweettren w/test only....

TweetIf you are a beginner, I would hold off on tren and try some others. No sense in jumping straight into the most powerful steroid when you still have, deca, winstrol, primo, eq, etc..

If you do decide to use tren, Id reccomend using ace at 50-100 mg eod and see how you respond to it. If all goes well, then you can raise your dose. You will also want to stack with test, just like anything else.

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If you are a beginner, I would hold off on tren and try some others. No sense in jumping straight into the most powerful steroid when you still have, deca, winstrol, primo, eq, etc..

If you do decide to use tren, Id reccomend using ace at 50-100 mg eod and see how you respond to it. If all goes well, then you can raise your dose. You will also want to stack with test, just like anything else.

Great advice here- dont make the error of going at things to fast, plenty of time for that
The main reason a testosterone only cycle is recommended for the first time users is because it is the building block of all future cycles Meaning it forms the base of every good cycle- I usually have beginer use Test for the first 2 or three, or a quick acting oral like dbol- see exmples
TWO (2) SAMPLE STACKS FOR THE NEWBIE

Sample Stack #1

Weeks 1-10: 500mL Testosterone Enanthate WEEKLY

Nolvadex on hand in case of gyno.

Post Cycle Therapy

Clomid therapy three weeks after last sust350 shot ran as follows:

Day 1 - 300mg
Day 2-11 - 100mg/day
Day 12-21 - 50mg/day

#2
Weeks 1-4: Sustanon 250 Shot either every other day (1/2 mL) or 1mL twice weekely on either Sunday / Wednesday or Monday / Thursday.

Weeks 1-4: Dbol (20-25mg)

Nolvadex on hand in case of gyno. Alternatively, you can run 10mg daily throughout your cycle.

Post Cycle Therapy

Clomid therapy three weeks after last sust350 shot ran as follows:

Day 1 - 300mg
Day 2-11 - 100mg/day
Day 12-21 - 50mg/day


also, did you see Powerpresses post- Tren shuts you down hard- no disrespect, but normally when I make fun of beginners the most absurd thing is a tren only cycle.This tells me that you need to research way way more and I dotn mean posting on the forums. Think about it like this - you're doing a stack of testosterone enanthate and dianabol - you feel the signs and symptoms of gyno coming along. So you fix the problem by taking by taking 20-30 mg of Nolvadex or 100 mg of Clomid (which you intelligently kept on hand) daily until the problem subsides and a few days after just to be safe. So the next time you cycle - you use only testosterone enanthate to avoid the aromotization problems brought upon by the addition of the dianabol tabs the first time out. But guess what? It wasn't the test that was aromatizing after all - it was the dianabol. Now with testosterone only, you are still getting the signs and symptoms of gyno and must once again control the substance with use of an anti estrogen. Had you known you were gyno prone with the testosterone you could have better planned this second cycle and worked out a stack to your advantage and possibly even eliminated or greatly reduced the risks of re-ocurring gyno. If you start cycling with a stack, you won't have any way of knowing which steroids are causing which side effects.

Another reason why testosterone only is a good first cycle - it's your first cycle! Why go overkill? You'll grow like a weed off testosterone only with correct nutrition and training - hell, even without it! In a study done by Bhasin and co-workers1, men with no weight training whatsoever made increases in fat-free mass (4KG or 8.8 lbs), increases in triceps mass (400 mm or 1.6"), increases in quadriceps mass (600 mm or 2.4"), and added 10KG (22.2 lbs) on their bench press and 20KG (44.4 to their squat. It's TESTOSTERONE after all. You're injecting HORMONES into yourself. Don't let the quantity fool you - a mL of cyanide will kill you the same way as minimal amounts of steroids will make you grow. Your virgin androgen receptors will eat it up. Why use more when you'll get the same results off less? What's the point? It's just a big waste of time and money. The last thing you want to do is develop a tolerance so that you are required more quantity in the future.

Testosterone may be a strong androgen, but the side effects are very easily controlled for almost all of them with a few simple ancillaries.

With any steroids you take you are going to shut down your natural testosterone production and this can lead to short term impotence and testicular atrophy (short term if your post cycle therapy is sound!). Deca and Trenbolone are not the only ones that cause this (any drug can when not accompanied by testosterone). Deca and Trenbolone are just the most common and most complained about for this type of thing.

Tweetclen,prop,winny,mast give those a shot if ya want to cut up lose weight or what ever your trying to acheive

Tweetthanks guys, i wanted some feedback from all of you. The only reason i do not want to try Deca is from some of the things I have heard about it doing to the body negatively, i love those good times with the lady friends and i don't wanna hinder that if possible and I still can't get my hands on HCG either! Winny, i might try that. Fuzo, i am trying to lean out, i want to maintain the muscle i acheived from my test cycle but cut off all the body fat I can before going on my next test cycle. is there something i can take that i do not need to PCT after using besides Clen?

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Originally Posted by MxxC82

thanks guys, i wanted some feedback from all of you. The only reason i do not want to try Deca is from some of the things I have heard about it doing to the body negatively, i love those good times with the lady friends and i don't wanna hinder that if possible and I still can't get my hands on HCG either! Winny, i might try that. Fuzo, i am trying to lean out, i want to maintain the muscle i acheived from my test cycle but cut off all the body fat I can before going on my next test cycle. is there something i can take that i do not need to PCT after using besides Clen?

JUst to be the devils advocate once again- Now you heard all these things about deca? Probably overall the safest steroid along with EQ- so Not sure where you heard that, but stop listening to them.

Tren is considered one of the most toxic and harsh steroids- so again- Do your research as I question your resources based on what you have laid out here.

HERES YOU BIGGEST ADVICE- YOU WANT TO LEAN OUT- NO COMPOUNDS NEEDED. THATS ALL DIET AND TRAINING.

If you came to me for Training - Id tell ya to read a long time before trying anything else. In reality the best steroid for staving off Fat is Test- none of them burn fat , but Test will keep it from accumulating- just look at it physiologically- its why men are naturally leaner than women. Clen probably the worst idea for losing in this post- although some use it prcontest and good during pct- but you need to already know what you are doing. STOP RELYING on PILL- Learn to manipulate your training and your lifestyle of eating

TweetAt least get yourself some clomid or something. Its not that expensive and extreme peptides stocks It. I wouldn't worry about deca as long as you run it with test. Alot of compounds shut you down hard like deca just use a test base while your on and have pct ready and you should be fine.

TweetBut your probably not gonna want deca in your cutting cycle anyways. Unless you have joint issues or something

Tweetwell i am not currently taking anything but clen, ISO 100 protein, fish oil and Taurine right now and i have jumped cardio up a bunch and doing high count reps in the weights department. I don't feel as if i am gonna get my BF% down low enough for me to be satisfied before i start my next cycle. This is some hard azz, dedicated work and a long process for me, i am just impatient and want results faster. i think i have mentioned my impatients before and it is something i should focus more on fixing that anything. Thanks for the feedback guys, keep it coming.

TweetPrimo/Clen=excellent results..winstrol too, but if you tend to get joint pain, especially if your dryin out..of course drink plenty of fluids. Primo and clen work very well together though, but being your a guy, you would have to take at least 500mg per wk or maybe more..you can use it twice a wk, divided into two injects..they used to make an inject-able yohimbine/clen was called Helios i think..perhaps i have the name wrong, but i havent been able to find it anywhere..? You injected it sub-q and fantastic results for cutting..

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Originally Posted by Michelle Hayden

Primo/Clen=excellent results..winstrol too, but if you tend to get joint pain, especially if your dryin out..of course drink plenty of fluids. Primo and clen work very well together though, but being your a guy, you would have to take at least 500mg per wk or maybe more..you can use it twice a wk, divided into two injects..they used to make an inject-able yohimbine/clen was called Helios i think..perhaps i have the name wrong, but i havent been able to find it anywhere..? You injected it sub-q and fantastic results for cutting..

You have the name correct- There is a UG around one of these boards that has it on his list as we speak, Genxxl used to have it, maybe the new site will as well.