TweetDo not try to cut and bulk in the same cycle, do one or the other. I do like winny at the end though to shed some water weight while at the same time increasing strength. Depending on what week you are in you could start the winny and run it @ 50mg ed divided in two doses (am/pm) for no more than 6 wks ending 2 wks after your last shot of enan. I say 6 wks max due to the dbol used at the beginning to give your liver a break for a few wks. Start PCT the next day after winny is finished. The nolv will suffice but 50 more would have been ideal. Take 40mg ed for 1 wk and then 20mg ed for 1 wk, followed by 10mg ed for 8 days. Also, take hcg at either 1000iu ed for 5 days or 500iu ed for 10 days. Normally for pct I would recommend Nolv at 40mg ed for 2 wks and 20mg ed for 2 more. Or 40mg wk1/30mg wk2/20mg wk3/ 10mg wk 4.

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Originally Posted by JsJs24

Do not try to cut and bulk in the same cycle, do one or the other. I do like winny at the end though to shed some water weight while at the same time increasing strength. Depending on what week you are in you could start the winny and run it @ 50mg ed divided in two doses (am/pm) for no more than 6 wks ending 2 wks after your last shot of enan. I say 6 wks max due to the dbol used at the beginning to give your liver a break for a few wks. Start PCT the next day after winny is finished. The nolv will suffice but 50 more would have been ideal. Take 40mg ed for 1 wk and then 20mg ed for 1 wk, followed by 10mg ed for 8 days. Also, take hcg at either 1000iu ed for 5 days or 500iu ed for 10 days. Normally for pct I would recommend Nolv at 40mg ed for 2 wks and 20mg ed for 2 more. Or 40mg wk1/30mg wk2/20mg wk3/ 10mg wk 4.

Agreed %100

Tweethey bro if your do decide to do the winny at the end ad in some fina, omg dude you will not regret it, but personally i would save the winny do your pct's wait a month let your receptors clean up, then go on a 6 week cycle of tren/winny/prop(or sust250 if you dont gain water weight that bad) and that will make you HARD AS FUCK for summer, hope this helps.

TweetI have a really hard time gaining access to gear so I have to get what i can so i know I would like somethings to have been diff. but that is not the way it goes. Thanks for the input and about the hcg when should I start? I am also not sure how to take the hcj? Do I mix it or refrig. it? Can I use a slin pin or what size and where should I use it? I am at week 12 thinking about a few more weeks but don't want to waste time or cash. Also am I to far along to take the winn tabs? Also is 1 month off like Fina said enough time to be off before cutting and is this optimal, because that is only 1 week at the end of pct? thanks agian all. CJ

TweetStart the HCG the next day after last inject of test, so now would be good. Mix it with bacterialistic water which you should have with it. 5000iu of hcg mixed with 5ml water = 1000iu/1ml (1 cc) or 500iu/.5ml (1/2 cc). These shots can be used with slin pin intramuscular or sub-q. I would hold off the winny for now since you are almost finished with the test. As for time off, no I would not recomment starting back up in 1 month. Take adequate time off, in this case about 12-14 wks including PCT. In other words, in 3 months and after bloodwork shows lipids back to normal (earlier if they are normal then) you could run another. I'd say you could start a cutter in mid-may. If you want to go earlier though just get your bloodwork done in a month after PCT and see if everything is good. That is the main factor.

Tweetbro, i posted info in this thread about hcg https://www.fitnessgeared.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=41254

bro you need to do a lot more reading and searching. 12 weeks into a cycle is not the time to be wondering about this stuff.

12 weeks is long enough

i dont understand your fina question, too late now in this cycle anyway. finish your hcg by the time you start pct and for god sakes dont take 5k ius all at once

search search search read read read... most all the info you want is on the board already

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Originally Posted by TSR1969

bro, i posted info in this thread about hcg https://www.fitnessgeared.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=41254

bro you need to do a lot more reading and searching. 12 weeks into a cycle is not the time to be wondering about this stuff.

12 weeks is long enough

i dont understand your fina question, too late now in this cycle anyway. finish your hcg by the time you start pct and for god sakes dont take 5k ius all at once

search search search read read read... most all the info you want is on the board already

Very true.

TweetThanks for the info all and as for reading I have been and that is why I am here with all of you. thanks CJ Also is there anything else that will help me keep my gains like ZMA or trib???? thanks