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Originally Posted by firstenrgy

You hear so many different opinions on how long to run cycles I wanted to get some opinions on what you guys think?
The reason I ask this is... I have run between 10 and 20 week cycles and usually take an equal amount of time off in between (with the exception of the 20 week one) and the 20 week one yeided the best results. I'm sure you are saying no s#*t firstenrgy but the odd part was my liver enzymes were never high throughout the 20 week one and my recovery of test levels were almost identical to the shorter cycles. Soooooo, I ask, what are your experiences?
firstenrgy

Very similiar to yours. Based on what ive read and my own results i think the body actually resets it set points for LBM while doing a longer cycle. For me after doing a cycle 20 weeks or longer i lose veru little at the end. A few pnds of water and thats about it. For me the PCT was also no harder then after a short cycle but i do like to use HCG the whole cycle durations so the boys are nice and full when its time for them to go back to work.

TweetI love longer cycles especially when using long esters.

Tweetwell i've done 60 week cycles and i've done 12 week cycles. my cycles from this point on will be 15-20. no less no more. your liver bein fine is of no surprise. what was ur cholesterol. thats a biggie. if you choose to run a long cycle you gotta make sure your hdls don't get too low. a messed up lipid profile and high blood pressure at the same time could really mess u up. so make sure u have it monitored. if ur gonna run a long cycle blood work DURING is a must. don't take chances. as for recovery i'm not the greatest example cause i never really stayed off for long. but i would have time off = at least 12-15 weeks after a long cycle. my last was very long. after 3 months off my test was 350

Tweethard to tell u, i'am doing now 24 weeks, will let u know..i have done 12 and 16 and now 24...i'am on my sixth, so far so good

TweetI myself wouldn't go over 15wks, unless doing a gh cycle, which i would add a low level testosterone depot.

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Originally Posted by mick-G

I myself wouldn't go over 15wks, unless doing a gh cycle, which i would add a low level testosterone depot.

i guess i;am good since i'am doing Gh for 6 months

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Originally Posted by Crankin'steiN

Short cycles and long cycles both have their advantages.....

Short cycles mean that you will reap the best part of your gains from the cycle (because they happen in the first 6-8 weeks) and you will also be able to take less time off between cycles (we know it's really hard to stay off....). However, it will be harder to keep the gains you have made when coming off, because your body is not used to that much muscle. Your recovery will also be much easier then if you stayed on for extended periods of time.

Long cycles mean that you will be able to let your body get used to the new gains from the cycle and hopefully be able to keep them all or almost all after you come off. You will need to take a longer time off between cycles, it will be harder to recover from, and you risk permanently affecting your HPTA.


With that said, I have recently switched to doing blast and cruise cycles.... It is kind of a happy medium between the two ways of cycling above. You run a short cycle (say 6-8 weeks) then cruise (run a low dose of test, while taking your PCT drugs) to try and recover to some extent (and to keep all gains from previous cycle) then run another short cycle again (called blasting). Doing things in this manor allow you to take 2 steps forward, hold, then take 2 steps forward again. As oppose to taking two steps forward and then one back like regular cycling usually causes..... This method of cycling is from DC's (Doggcrapp's) readings. If your interested in learning more about it, you should search some sites for his stuff, there is tons out there.

How long is the cruise phase? Just during your PCT or is it longer. I know most PCT is about 3 weeks.

TweetI was wondering if Crank was gonna chime in. I LOVE the blast and cruise method i am pushing thru plateaus i never thought i would.

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Originally Posted by Crankin'steiN

You should really read DC's writings on it if you want to try it, because that way you will get a good idea of the whole theory and how it works....

To answer your question tho, the length of your cruise depends on the length of your blast..... If you blast 6 weeks then 3 weeks cruise would probably be enough, if you blast 8 weeks then you would need a little longer cruise... Usually a 2:1 blasting to cruising ratio is pretty good, but it depends on the person and can be personalized a bit...

Thanks bro! I'm gonna have to find more on it.

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Originally Posted by Crankin'steiN

There is plenty of info out there bro. A search at this site may turn up some stuff.... And if you can't find what you need, then head over to Intensemuscle.com Dc has his own forum over there and there is tons of info on his theories....

Thanks for the direction bro.