Tweet500 on test is a great dose that can easily be ran for a decent amount of time without bad sides or health strain. In my opinion EQ really needs to be ran at least at 600mg each week to be effective however, and should be ran a good 16 weeks minimum.

500mg test each week and 600mg EQ per week for 16-20 weeks would be a great cycle with very little to no side effects

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Originally Posted by qhams

Been off and on training since college....mid 30s now.

Naturally went from 140 at 12-15% in college and got to around 160 at 10% naturally in early 20s.

Then starting in mid 20s for about 4-5 years I would run a cycle every spring to lean out and would usually finish up around 170-175 at 10%. Once I usually came off my diet would go to crap and training would stop or be sparatic, alot of this was probably from crashing even though I did PCT.

4 years ago I had a bunch of health issues and have slowly worked them out. Still have some postural issues and imbalances which affect lower back and forearms. Because of this I can not train with the volume or weight that I use to.

These days I stay around mid 180s at a fat 18% lol. Diet is okay but definitely not bodybuilding strict. I mainly shoot for 150-200 grams of protein a day and shoot for around 30 grams of fiber a day. I focus more on lower glycemic carbs but I am not gonna lie at night after a healthy dinner I have me a few deserts

At 5' 9" and 185 lbs I don't see the need to go over 500mg test at all. You have clear receptors for sure, thus your body will respond exceptionally well to the test. Anything more than that would just be a waste imo. The other guys are right about Eq too, it needs to be dosed higher and run longer for optimal effects. To be honest I would probably just stick to test and an oral for jump if you want, then finish off with var and drag that out a couple weeks after the test is complete. You said you only want about 10 lbs so not really necessary to stack a lot considering you have been off for so long. Just my 2 cents anyway. Everyone responds different and I personally think it's best to see how well you respond to smaller doses and less compounds at first before stacking and increasing doses.

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Originally Posted by JsJs24

At 5' 9" and 185 lbs I don't see the need to go over 500mg test at all. You have clear receptors for sure, thus your body will respond exceptionally well to the test. Anything more than that would just be a waste imo. The other guys are right about Eq too, it needs to be dosed higher and run longer for optimal effects. To be honest I would probably just stick to test and an oral for jump if you want, then finish off with var and drag that out a couple weeks after the test is complete. You said you only want about 10 lbs so not really necessary to stack a lot considering you have been off for so long. Just my 2 cents anyway. Everyone responds different and I personally think it's best to see how well you respond to smaller doses and less compounds at first before stacking and increasing doses.

I aromatize easily so I assume I should run some adex. I have some liquid adex. Also I think I aromatize less on cyp vs enanthate. What is the normal dosage for adex...does it just depend on invidual? My main focus is to lean out so I assume keeping estrogen in check is a big think, correct?

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Originally Posted by qhams

I aromatize easily so I assume I should run some adex. I have some liquid adex. Also I think I aromatize less on cyp vs enanthate. What is the normal dosage for adex...does it just depend on invidual? My main focus is to lean out so I assume keeping estrogen in check is a big think, correct?

hold onto the dex but i would suggest trying aromasin first. this will not crush your cholesterol and is still a good anti estrogen

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Originally Posted by guns01

hold onto the dex but i would suggest trying aromasin first. this will not crush your cholesterol and is still a good anti estrogen

Does adex kill good and bad cholesterol or just good?

Also on the aromasin I thought that was the strongest anti-e and would eliminate all estrogen?

Tweetthe good cholesterol

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Originally Posted by qhams

Does adex kill good and bad cholesterol or just good?

Also on the aromasin I thought that was the strongest anti-e and would eliminate all estrogen?

like bm said it destroys your good cholesterol. aromsin isnt quite as harsh at eliminating all estrogen as dex and ferma are. a good approach that a lot of guys i know is: run 25mg for 2-3wks to allow it to build up and then cruise at 12.5mg for as long as needed. it also helps improve you cholesterol numbers which is an added bene

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Originally Posted by guns01

like bm said it destroys your good cholesterol. aromsin isnt quite as harsh at eliminating all estrogen as dex and ferma are. a good approach that a lot of guys i know is: run 25mg for 2-3wks to allow it to build up and then cruise at 12.5mg for as long as needed. it also helps improve you cholesterol numbers which is an added bene

Really? Interesting. My numbers are always borderline high. Total usually around 210 and good (HDL) coming in around 45-50 and bad is usually a little high. Not sure why. Been like that for 4 years. I thought my diet was okay. May be some hormone off causing it to run high.

Diet by the way is as followed:
Breakfast
3 Eggs
3 Egg Whites
Starch is either - protein pancakes, oatmeal, ezekial bread, or a high fiber cereal

Lunch
Protein - chicken, beef, fish, etc.
Starch - rice or potato
Vegetables - Kimchi or steamed brocolli

Post Workout
50 grams of whey protein
Gatorade mixed in with protein and sometimes fruit or oatmeal on side

Dinner
Large serving of protein (chicken, pork, beef, fish, etc.)
Vegetable (green beans, broc, etc.)
Starch - pasta, rice, potatoes, sweet potatoes, etc.
Usually have dessert

Before Bed
If I am hungry I will eat a bowl of high fiber cereal or sandwich.

Tweet^^ Yea, thats the only real side I get is my hdl was low last time I got blood work done. I didn't realize armosin helped with that tho.

TweetMy doc keeps pushing me to get on chol. lowering medicine but I dont agree with that. My levels are not through the roof. I have tried lately to really get fiber intake up and more energy expenditure up to see if my levels improve. I go early Jan. for blood work. After that I may start this cycle.

TweetI think I saw you say you were off right now? After I go off pct mine goes back to normal, so if your on it could correct itself.

Tweetdiet doesnt look bad at all man. i dont see any of the bad stuff that usually cranks peoples lipids through the roof. a funny discusion i has with my doc not to long ago was that it is rare for lipid issues to be caused by diet (this is not the case most of the time) the issue is usually genetic unless you are a fat slob that lays around eating fried chicken and drinking lard.

may look at taking some omega 3s in your setup as well as adding a good fiber supplement on top of what you are already doing. i use sugar free metamucell myself. cool thing i learned about fiber is that in order for it to be fully affective it needs to be used without sugar present so it can stick to all the bad stuff and pull it out.