Which is more androgenic?

[blkturbo]

TweetWhen using 2 androgenic steroids, the way I understand is that it is safer/better to come off of the stronger one first, and then come off the weaker one like a couple/few weeks later.

How would this apply to QV EQ and QV Enan? <---- which is stronger of the 2?

Another thing I notice is that some people don't seem to worry too much about pyramiding their cycles (come on gradually, peak, and then come off gradually)....The first thing I ever learned about juice was the pyramid techniques.....what are yall's thoughts on this?

Thanks

[x|Fluid|x]

TweetEnan is much more androgenic than EQ. I dont see a reason to come of an androgen before an anabolic, I dont think it will help your recovery at all.

As for the pyramiding thing, thats pretty much considered 'old school' There is no sense in tapering your doses, your HPTA will still be supressed, the only effect you will get is less gains. Thats the whole reason why we have clomid.

[blkturbo]

TweetThanks for the response!.........yeah, i read that in this link below about coming off the stronger of the two first etc.

https://216.33.240.250/cgi-bin/linkrd...foffster%2ehtm

I understand your logic, but in the meantime, you don't mean to say the opposite, do you: ------> To stop cold turkey?

How about starting off strong, go steady with the doses, and then just taper off? <------ much more common, right? This question has an effect on the thoughts I have of the cycles where guys start and stop different gear during multiple juice types.
Ex) 1-4 ---> xxx
4-8 ----> xxx
etc.

[prolangtum]

TweetTaper, no, once you shutdown, your shutdown.

500mg of Ethanate a week for 10 weeks is a good beginners cycle, tapering is pointless.

[superchicken]

Tweetyeah that kinda info was before clomid and the like hit the mainstream. BUT even so yes you would technically recover easier, but its so little of a benefit if using clomid, and the extra time involved could be spent doing true 100% recovery instead of what would prob be a 5-10% recovery, so in actuality its worse for recovery

[x|Fluid|x]

Tweetyup, just stop cold turkey. That half-life of each drug will naturally taper down the doses on its own. I like to run HCG while waiting for the drug to taper, then hit clomid hard immediately afterwards.

[prolangtum]

TweetI dont see how you would recover better tapering in any way. Its not like your body starts producing natty Test on week 9 and 10, going from 250mg to 125mg. Even 100mg of Test will shut you down.