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      Stimulus 101: What's in the Bills
      Stimulus 101: What's in the Bills

      The plan by Obama and congressional Democrats to revive the economy is taking shape. Here's what we know so far.
      You've probably noticed: The Obama administration and Congress are talking about spending an unprecedented sum of money to try to revive the economy.
      President Obama and House Democrats laid down the marker with an $825 billion package of spending and tax cuts.

      Dozens of proposals. Hundreds of pages of legislation. Billions of dollars.
      What are some of the headline proposals, and what is the debate all about? The legislation is a work in progress, but here is an overview.
      Infrastructure
      The case for: By investing in renewable energy, health care, education and modern construction projects, the Obama administration expects to create between 3 million and 4 million jobs and address key sustainability issues.
      The case against: Opponents argue the spending will lead to a rapidly increasing and unsustainable deficit. They also say that a majority of infrastructure projects will take too long to implement.
      Construction projects: $90 billion. Fund the rebuilding of crumbling roads and bridges, build clean water and flood control mechanisms and provide funding for mass transit systems.
      Education: $142 billion. Rebuild thousands of schools by modernizing classrooms, labs and libraries. The plan would also increase funding for Pell Grants.
      Renewable energy: $54 billion. Double production of alternative energy in the next three years. Weatherize low-income homes, modernize 75% of federal buildings and update the nation's electrical grid with a new, cost-efficient "smart" grid.
      Health care records: $20 billion. Modernize the health care system by computerizing all of the nations' medical records in the next five years.
      Science, research and technology: $16 billion. Invest in science facilities, research and instrumentation to create new industries, new jobs and medical breakthroughs. Expand broadband Internet access in rural and underserved areas.
      State Relief
      The case for: As states face budget shortfalls, Obama's plan seeks to help states pay for Medicaid and unemployment benefits. State fiscal relief will be allocated to prevent increases in state and local taxes.

      The case against: Opponents say the bill should focus on job creation that will make an immediate impact the economy. Republicans have specifically criticized a provision that would expand a government matching program for states that provide abortion and contraceptive funding through Medicaid. A Democratic official told CNN the House Democratic leaders are planning to remove the provision.
      Medicaid: $87 billion. Increase Federal Medicaid Assistance Percentage so states do not have to cut eligibility for Medicaid due to budget shortfalls.
      Law enforcement: $4 billion for states and municipality funding for law enforcement.
      Safety Net
      The case for: Obama proposed temporary programs to protect those most vulnerable to the effects of the recession.
      The case against: As with state budget relief, opponents say the bill is too big and should simply aim to create new jobs. Some lawmakers have said some of the "safety net" spending provisions are wasteful, and many have called the bill unfocused.
      Unemployment benefits: $43 billion. Extend through December 2009 emergency unemployment insurance assistance to states. Increase weekly unemployment benefits by $25, and provide incentives for states to expand unemployment coverage.
      Cobra: $39 billion. Tax credit for recently laid-off employees to help pay for discounted health care. Obama estimates the plan will help 8.5 million people who recently lost their jobs.
      Feeding the hungry: $20 billion. Increase food stamp benefits by 13%, and provide support for food banks, school lunch programs and WIC.
      Tax Cuts for Individuals
      The case for: The president proposed the so-called "Make Work Pay Credit" as part of an effort to spend at least 75% of the package in the first 18 months after its passage. Obama hopes that fast-spending provisions like tax cuts will quickly help low- and middle-income workers in need of spending money.

      The case against: Opponents say the size tax cuts do not go far enough and on the whole don't make up a big enough portion of the entire package. Furthermore, they oppose giving tax breaks to people who do not pay taxes.
      Middle-class tax cut: $145 billion. Tax cut amounting to $500 a year for individuals and $1,000 for couples. The full credit would be limited to those making $75,000 or less ($150,000 or less for workers filing joint returns).
      Low-income tax cut: $5 billion. Expand the Earned Income Tax Credit, which is a refundable credit for low-income workers. Furthermore, the Make Work Pay Credit would be refundable, meaning that even tax filers without any tax liability -- typically very low-income workers -- would receive one.
      Child tax credit: $18 billion. Temporary increase in the amount of the child tax credit that would be refundable.
      Tax Cuts for Businesses
      The case for: In an attempt to get money out quickly to low- and middle-income workers, the president has pushed for tax cuts for certain individuals.
      The case against: Opponents say too small of a percentage of the total package -- 2.7% -- goes to small businesses. They also say that much of the proposed tax relief essentially amounts to spending, due to the provisions Democrats placed on the tax credits.
      Small business write-offs: Obama would increase the amount of expenses small businesses can write off to $250,000 in 2009 and 2010 from the current $125,000 level.
      Tax cuts for companies suffering losses: $17 billion over 10 years. Obama would temporarily broaden the "net-operating loss carryback" to five years, up from two years currently. The provision would let companies apply their 2008 and 2009 losses to past and future tax bills so they can get money back on taxes they've already paid or would otherwise have to pay.

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      The case for: By investing in renewable energy, health care, education and modern construction projects, the Obama administration expects to create between 3 million and 4 million jobs and address key sustainability issues.

      BULL SNOT HE WONT CREATE 3-4 MILLION JOBS HE'S FRIGGIN CRAZY JUST LIKE CARTER WAS.

      Health care records: $20 billion. Modernize the health care system by computerizing all of the nations' medical records in the next five years.

      COMPUTERIZE MY ASS OMG WE WILL BE WAITING ON THE PHONE AND PUSHING BUTTONS FOR HOURS WAITING FOR SOMEONE TO COME ON THE LINE. AND THIS BLOW JOB THINKS HE CAN FIX IT. GOV RUN HEALTH CARE HAS BEEN TRIED BEFORE AND FAILED AND WHERE DOES HE THINK HE'S GETTING THE MONEY TO PAY FOR IT. AND HE THINKS ITS GOING TO WORK IN THIS ECONOMY . THE DUMB ASS WONT BE IN OFFICE AFTER HIS 4TH YEAR. BOY DID HE SELL ALL YOU A BRIDGE TO BUY TO BELEIVE ALL HIS SHIT
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      Quote Originally Posted by FUZO View Post

      COMPUTERIZE MY ASS OMG WE WILL BE WAITING ON THE PHONE AND PUSHING BUTTONS FOR HOURS WAITING FOR SOMEONE TO COME ON THE LINE. AND THIS BLOW JOB THINKS HE CAN FIX IT. GOV RUN HEALTH CARE HAS BEEN TRIED BEFORE AND FAILED AND WHERE DOES HE THINK HE'S GETTING THE MONEY TO PAY FOR IT. AND HE THINKS ITS GOING TO WORK IN THIS ECONOMY . THE DUMB ASS WONT BE IN OFFICE AFTER HIS 4TH YEAR. BOY DID HE SELL ALL YOU A BRIDGE TO BUY TO BELEIVE ALL HIS SHIT
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      Default Re: Stimulus 101: What's in the Bills

      Here is where the money is going

      • The non-job creating spending in this bill includes:

      a) $50 million for the National Endowment for the Arts. ( will this create 1 job?)

      b) $400 million to study climate change. ( What’s there to study? Its a climate change!)

      c) $200 million to revitalize the National Mall, including planting new sod.( BULLDOZE IT DOWN around $10,000 +removal!)

      d) $1.1 billion to allow the Secretary of Health and Human Services to establish a permanent board to ration health care services, a precursor to universal health care. (A Billion dollar BOARD OF HEALTH? Enough for FREE HEALTH CARE for a YEAR!)

      e) Hundreds of millions of dollars for contraceptives and family planning services through Medicaid.

      f) $650 million dollars for additional digital TV converter box coupons. ( turn the TV off and get to basics, IDIOTS!)

      g) $166 billion in direct aid to help states pay their bills. ( Due to illegal immigrants)

      h) $13 billion for reading programs.

      i) $15.6 billion to increase the maximum annual Pell grant (for college students) by $500 from $4,360 to $4,860.

      j) $3 billion to public health departments for additional immunizations. ( immunize yourself from a DUMB Gov’t)

      k) $1 billion in additional funding to pay heating bills of low-income Americans. ( Give them a JOB, clean the streets ANYTHING)

      l) $1 billion for the 2010 census. ( To count illegal IMMIGRANTS?)

      m) $100 million for National Science Foundation scholarships.

      n) $200 million for nutrition programs. ( Buy Macdonalds , Burger King and the rest of them foul places AND SHUT THEM DOWN!)

      o) $200 million to provide incentives to teachers to raise test scores. ( Teach students how to write a check, pay a bill, apply for a scholarship, grocery shop, how to apply for a rental apt, EVERYDAY STUFF YA KNOW? BUT TEST SCORES? Bunch of Simpletons)

      p) $2 billion in additional funds for low-income child care.

      q) $900 million in additional funds to prepare for the pandemic flu. ( WHAT? Probably find a cure for every disease in the world with that money!)
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      Looks like some wasteful spending here!! It is "l" that really gets me.

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      I agree, some of these do look like wasteful spending.

      Btw, item e was knocked down by Obama. This was a line item Pelosi was trying to sneak in.

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