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Originally posted by rigolo
Ladiesman, no disrespect bro, but i really, seriously, think you do not know what you're talking about! Serious! I mean you have your opinion and i respect it but you're totally off tracks!
I have just one question for you: How many 'countries' (not cities or states) have you been to??? That might sound weird to you that i'm asking that but there's a reason behind it. And, for the record, i'm not with Saddam at all, totally against him 100% but this "war thing" is getting way out of control!!! I hear people saying"...we're behing our troops" and sh*t like that. Of course...anywhere you go in the world people support their troops...its not about supporting the troops, the question is was it JUSTIFIED? I truely beleive it wasn't! And all the protests around the world prove it clearly. The UN -who by the way is the regulator in this game, not the USA!-bow its head down by dispointment. People just want to see drama and entertainment on tv, they just want to see fireworks on the Iraqi sky. I'm just wondering how did we go from Bin Laden to Saddam Hussein???...how the american troops are going to fight in Afghanistan, Iraq, etc... all at the same time in two different places?! It is just that the american public has to be fed with something, a war had to be created in order to distract. Well, the plan worked pretty good i might say.
All i'm saying is, do not loose focus of what's in sight. That war was unnecessary..TOTALLY!!!!! What did Saddam do that the US had to go NOW, NOW??? I don't get it...He surely is a threat with his weapons, but comon...If you know a little bit about what is going on out there, you'll see he's not the only one in that case, as a matter of fact, there are even worst than him!!! All i see is Bush trying to feed the public with a war and an unvalidated cause as fast as he can b/c, don't forget, re-elections are right around the corner and with Bin Laden nowhere to be seen its getting critical for his ass!!! Not only that but since Daddy didn't take Saddam out, well, Sonny is going to make daddy a present by doing just that.
The act (war) and the timing (now) is just not justified to me!!!!!!!!! And at the end of all that kaos, the whole world will see-especially America-that is wasn't worth it!

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahaha

silliest shit i ever heard!!!!!


rigolo

TweetOriginally posted by NecroPhreak
And the USA is doing it for $$$. I love the way they "secured" as many oil fields as possible,and how the Cnn correspondents seemed disgusted that some of the wells were "sabotaged" by being lit on fire. How very transparent.
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LOL! Now this is just plain ignorance. Yeah, the US is in it for the Money....LOL. Do you have any clue how much this war will cost? The US will NEVER recoup the money we've already spent on this let alone what we are going to spend.

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Originally posted by 3Vandoo
the unlawful use of force and coersion to injure, hurt, kill destroy people, property with the use of terror as their main goal of ideological terms, bla bla bla

um, isn't that wht the us is doing?
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Um, NO! Keyword is unlawful. Bush stated the UN resolution that allows the use of force if Iraq did not comply with previous UN resolutions. Just because the UN didn't want to sanction the war because of a few nations does NOT make the US actions illegal.

To all those UN lovers out there; You must like weak, all-talk no action personalities eh? Is this how you are? If you told your neighbor they'd better stop beating their wife and kids.......and you gave them a week to do it (not that you would). But every day for that week you see him beating his wife and kids......are you gonna give them more time so you can have a "diplomatic" solution? Same damn thing here! THE WORD OF THE UN MEANS NOTHING!

TweetBush is no reference in political term neither in politic as he dont even know how to spell the word

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Originally posted by Skarn
Originally posted by NecroPhreak
And the USA is doing it for $$$. I love the way they "secured" as many oil fields as possible,and how the Cnn correspondents seemed disgusted that some of the wells were "sabotaged" by being lit on fire. How very transparent.
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LOL! Now this is just plain ignorance. Yeah, the US is in it for the Money....LOL. Do you have any clue how much this war will cost? The US will NEVER recoup the money we've already spent on this let alone what we are going to spend.

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Originally posted by 3Vandoo
the unlawful use of force and coersion to injure, hurt, kill destroy people, property with the use of terror as their main goal of ideological terms, bla bla bla

um, isn't that wht the us is doing?
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Um, NO! Keyword is unlawful. Bush stated the UN resolution that allows the use of force if Iraq did not comply with previous UN resolutions. Just because the UN didn't want to sanction the war because of a few nations does NOT make the US actions illegal.

To all those UN lovers out there; You must like weak, all-talk no action personalities eh? Is this how you are? If you told your neighbor they'd better stop beating their wife and kids.......and you gave them a week to do it (not that you would). But every day for that week you see him beating his wife and kids......are you gonna give them more time so you can have a "diplomatic" solution? Same damn thing here! THE WORD OF THE UN MEANS NOTHING!

The UN was put into place by the governments of the world to stop individual countries from dealing out vigilante justice. The USA going against the word of the UN does mean something;it means they are breaking international law.

As far as $$$ ; If your gov't can convince you that they are doing right by all of this and gain your support, you probably won't ***** very much when next election year the pitch is made to "spend more money on our military to ensure the safety of the world".
You,the citizen pays the bill. This is why you are being convinced that this is justified. If tax money for the military goes from 1 billion this year to 2 billion next year,is this not profit? You don't think the joints chiefs etc, are going to give themselves nice fa raises from that huh?
MONEY makes the world go around. To believe anything else is just ignorant.

Tweetyup.. they need somehting to justify all the spendings on the military.... why else would u spend trillions of dolars on something u'll never use?

Tweetnever talk against military spending!

never that TABOO

MANGUE!!!!!!

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Originally posted by NecroPhreak
Mostly I agree. If ALL the USA wanted was Hussein dead, he would have been assasinated,period.

The US outlawed assasination some years ago I believe.

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Um, NO! Keyword is unlawful. Bush stated the UN resolution that allows the use of force if Iraq did not comply with previous UN resolutions. Just because the UN didn't want to sanction the war because of a few nations does NOT make the US actions illegal.

To all those UN lovers out there; You must like weak, all-talk no action personalities eh? Is this how you are? If you told your neighbor they'd better stop beating their wife and kids.......and you gave them a week to do it (not that you would). But every day for that week you see him beating his wife and kids......are you gonna give them more time so you can have a "diplomatic" solution? Same damn thing here! THE WORD OF THE UN MEANS NOTHING! [/B][/QUOTE]

EXACTLY!, the UN is weak. Lets look back a little, did the UN do anything to stop the genocide in the following countries:

Rowanda=nothing
Cambodia=nothing
Bosnia=nothing

Saddam violated all 17 UN resolutions since 1991, and the UN did absolutley nothing. Those are huge violations of international law, and when he violated UN resolution 1441 that gave the US the legal right to use force.

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Originally posted by freefaller21
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Um, NO! Keyword is unlawful. Bush stated the UN resolution that allows the use of force if Iraq did not comply with previous UN resolutions. Just because the UN didn't want to sanction the war because of a few nations does NOT make the US actions illegal.

To all those UN lovers out there; You must like weak, all-talk no action personalities eh? Is this how you are? If you told your neighbor they'd better stop beating their wife and kids.......and you gave them a week to do it (not that you would). But every day for that week you see him beating his wife and kids......are you gonna give them more time so you can have a "diplomatic" solution? Same damn thing here! THE WORD OF THE UN MEANS NOTHING!

EXACTLY!, the UN is weak. Lets look back a little, did the UN do anything to stop the genocide in the following countries:

Rowanda=nothing
Cambodia=nothing
Bosnia=nothing

Saddam violated all 17 UN resolutions since 1991, and the UN did absolutley nothing. Those are huge violations of international law, and when he violated UN resolution 1441 that gave the US the legal right to use force. [/B][/QUOTE]


Rwanda resolution was voted by everyone in the SC except the US!

the US exposed their veto, and there is talk and stories about US soldiers involved in the genocide, NO I am not making that up, last year I did a work on private military firm, and many NGO reported US soldiers in Rwanda as with two US Green Beret killed and their bodies recovered by the French.
Human Rights Watch even have a document on that.

Rwanda was and I dont express my feelings, vetoed by the US to cover the BS the Clinton Admin were doing in Africa,

As for Bosnia they should have done more, but if you know the rules that NY does for the mission there, you sit watch reports eat go home and see a psychologist!

TweetIraq invaded Kuait to increase their Arab dominence. Saddam's vision is to conquer all of the Arab states (just as ****** wanted to conquer Europe) and create an Arab superpower. We went to free Kuwait, not overthrow Saddam or Iraq. The surrender of the Gulf war had terms outlined by the UN not the US. These terms have not been followed by Iraq, so the UN should have forced the issue on the resolutions being broken by Iraq. They have turned out to be a paper tiger with no bite, so the US stepped up to stop Iraq from becoming another "****** State" while France, Germany, Russia and others sat by and watched, as in World War II when France did nothing until they were invaded and called for our help. We are not invading to take over Iraq, we are trying to prevent an evil regime from becomming a superpower with nukes that they are not afraid to use. If we all just watched ****** without doing anything, we would be speaking German, have blue eyes and be white. Sometimes preventive measures are necessary before disaster, instead of afterward trying to guess why you did'nt see it coming. i.e. 9/11.
If we knew beforehand that Osama was going to attack us, would it have been wrong to go after him first? If we new Japan was going to attack us first, would it have been wrong to destroy their navy first? If Saddam was to use chemical or biological weapons on Saudi, Iran or Isreal, everyone would be screaming that the US should have seen it coming and stopped him. So......

Damned if we do....Damned if we don't.

It is easier to ask for forgivness than permission!:2gunsfiri

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Originally posted by LadiesMan
Did I say they did? YOU show me proof that they didn't.

i think this is funny, guilty until proven innocent ... sounds very american :S


dont get me wrong, my opinion on this war is based on the outcome ... depends if they just go for oil and setup a puppet govt and get revenues or if they actually help the iraqi ppl

my personal opinion deep down inside though, i think the states are doing the right thing