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Originally Posted by bowbow

Shoot some starting fluid in the intake. It should run for a short period on that. Then if quits it's probably the fuel pump. I've changed a few and it shouldn't be that bad of a job.

this is bad advise...one of the quickest ways to blow up a gasoline engine is from starting fluid...it is made for diesel engines, not gasoline....never spray ether in any engine unless you know what you are doing, and never spray in gasoline engine....ive seen it bend every push rod in the head from just small squirts...could be lots of things wrong....rule out the battery...if you had jumpers on it, there was plenty of voltage there...timing???maybe a timing chain/belt..pull the distributor cap(if it has a distr, and see if the rotor turns while cranking...if not the chain or belt is broke...could be a sensor/solenoid of some type...

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Originally Posted by daved150

ok...the starter is trashed...this i know. and i agree that, from my personal previous experience, it sounds like a timing issue, but how the fuk does the timing go out, bad enough for it not too start, from it sitting for 5 days. ran like a champ from chicago to the house and, after being turned off, the timing just goes out? i dont know. i got the starter coming today and i'll get that on, then i have the tool to check the fuel pump and we'll see from there

Well there are a couple of ways
1- when you turned it off and it backfired timing could have jumped a tooth if it has high miles
2- most have cam sensors now and the sensor could have just gone out.

Tweetok...didnt backfire when turned off. backfired AFTER trying to start it for over 20mins WITHOUT jumper cables. backfired when using starting fluid. ran perfect for hundreds of miles from chicago to northen detroit area (5hr drive) turned off like normal....now...maybe a sensor went out, i dont know. there is spark from the distributer, if that means anything.

Tweetmaybe you need a reset on the computer chip

one time, i had some issues and one shop tried everything, and my regular guy reset the chip and i had no problems from then on

Tweethuh...maybe. i wonder how you do that?

Tweethope you didnt bend your valves with the starting fluid

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Originally Posted by pigmeat

this is bad advise...one of the quickest ways to blow up a gasoline engine is from starting fluid...it is made for diesel engines, not gasoline....never spray ether in any engine unless you know what you are doing, and never spray in gasoline engine....ive seen it bend every push rod in the head from just small squirts...could be lots of things wrong....rule out the battery...if you had jumpers on it, there was plenty of voltage there...timing???maybe a timing chain/belt..pull the distributor cap(if it has a distr, and see if the rotor turns while cranking...if not the chain or belt is broke...could be a sensor/solenoid of some type...

I've been working on equipment and cars my whole life and I've used and seen starting fluid used on gas engines many many times with no troubles.
Diesel engines have valves in them to but they are immune some how?

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Originally Posted by bowbow

I've been working on equipment and cars my whole life and I've used and seen starting fluid used on gas engines many many times with no troubles.
Diesel engines have valves in them to but they are immune some how?

ummm yeah they are.if someone who knows what they are doing uses it..first there is no spark in a deisel engine...second, have you ever seen a piston or a head off a diesel engine compared to a gasoline??everything is way heavier duty, and the physics of how a diesel works makes it less prone to damage from itSpray too much in a diesel and they will fluid lock...because there is no spark....load up a gasoline engine and BOOM!as soon as the spark plug fires...im not going to argue with you...yes you can use it on a gasoline engine...will any engine manufacturer or mechanic advise it...NO! I too have been a grease monkey my whole life, and have seen ether damage both kinds of engines

Tweetwell I'm sticking with timing and thats my FINAL answer

TweetCAN YOU DRINK WINNY

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Originally Posted by daved150

guys...the truck turned over for 20mins or more before we had to start using jumper cables. nothing wrong with the battery. its not band new, but maybe 13-15mos old!
starter was working fine until it went "ZIIIIIING" and now it dont work at all...just makes zingy noise.

You could have burned up the starter. The battery obviously was not the problem if it was turning over for all that time, and jumper cables wouldn't even be necessary. Sounds like a fuel problem to me. Fuel pump would be something worth checking.

TweetThe engine isn't frozen or it wouldn't turn over once. It wouldn't do anything.
If it's getting fuel, spark, and won't start with starting fluid. that's a head-scratcher. I would just start with process of elimination. plugs & plug wires 1st, etc...
Actually, I would say, "case & point." and go get an F-150. Never have that problem again. but that's me and my blood runs blue. and orange. blue oval.

I see this has been around for a couple weeks. I only read the topic. Hope you got it solved. And I can't believe you haven't got through to the kid about chevrolet.

Tweetturned out to be timing related....new cap and rotor did the trick!!! nice call deep!