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Originally Posted by T-Man007

Yeah, it's called a plane. LOL Sorry to tell you, but there are no missles that damn big except the ones that carry nukes. Why does there have to be wreckage? Why couldn't the government have cleaned it up? Do you not know how the FBI works? Somethign like this takes place they don't just sit around with their thumb up their butts. They move that stuff to a private location to be investigated.

YOu got me bro its a plane that has no wreckage in the video, the FBI got it before it hit the ground. LOL

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Originally Posted by T-Man007

Simple, you see all those firetrucks that were able to extinguish the fire? Well, those weren't available to the floors way up in the air that hit the WTC buildings. You have to also look at what you are comparing. The Petagon for crying out loud is the Petagon. Out government will always have many more resources availble to protect and preserve their buildings. Also, it's much easier to extinguish a fire that low to the ground versus one that is what 60 stories in the air. There is no way to stop a fire like that. Thus, it's able to brun and burn and burn. Fire is a living thing. It needs air and something to devour. You give it that and it will do sever damage.

This is another point. Jet Fuel burns at 1000 degrees, Titanium burns at 1300 degrees. WHere are the two 6 ton engines made of titanium? They just didn't vanish? And as you said, this wasn't like the WTC, the fire got put out.

Tweetthis is all so funny. if it wasn't a (the) plane, then where is the missing plane and all it's passengers???

noone seems to be able to come up with a plausible answer to this most obvious hole in the conspiracy/missle theory.

lol

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Originally Posted by Phreak

this is all so funny. if it wasn't a (the) plane, then where is the missing plane and all it's passengers???

noone seems to be able to come up with a plausible answer to this most obvious hole in the conspiracy/missle theory.

lol

well the plane that supposedly hit the pentagon was off radar for 45 minutes, you tell me where it went?

watch the LOOSE CHANGE video, he gives an explanation

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Originally Posted by Merc

YOu got me bro its a plane that has no wreckage in the video, the FBI got it before it hit the ground. LOL

LMAO! You got me there! LOL Of course, I wasn't physically at the crash site so I can't say for a 100% fact if there was or was not wreckage or how long it might have taken to clean up. But you get rep for the great rebuttle.

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Originally Posted by Stout1

This is another point. Jet Fuel burns at 1000 degrees, Titanium burns at 1300 degrees. WHere are the two 6 ton engines made of titanium? They just didn't vanish? And as you said, this wasn't like the WTC, the fire got put out.

Well, I can only say this from personal experience. A house in one of our neighborhoods burned down once and it was sooo hot the fire fighters couldn't stand it. They reported that the temperature reached 2,000 degrees. Now, this was just a house and the stuff inside. I also know from being there while it burned that it literally melted the vinyl siding on the home next to it and that home was 100 feet away.

What I'm getting at is the fact that fuel burns at 1,000 degrees is irrelivant. The real unknown is how high would temperature of a fire started by jet fuel inside of an office building get? That too could have reached 2,000 degrees for all we know. There is absolutely no way to know just how hot that fire was.

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Originally Posted by T-Man007

Well, I can only say this from personal experience. A house in one of our neighborhoods burned down once and it was sooo hot the fire fighters couldn't stand it. They reported that the temperature reached 2,000 degrees. Now, this was just a house and the stuff inside. I also know from being there while it burned that it literally melted the vinyl siding on the home next to it and that home was 100 feet away.

What I'm getting at is the fact that fuel burns at 1,000 degrees is irrelivant. The real unknown is how high would temperature of a fire started by jet fuel inside of an office building get? That too could have reached 2,000 degrees for all we know. There is absolutely no way to know just how hot that fire was.

Okay, we will say, just for discussion sake that it did get hot enough to melt titanium. Where the engines should of hit was OUTSIDE the hole in the pentagon, no way in hell that the "fire" outside that hole got that hot to make things melt away. Look at the footage. There are cable spools 50feet away that are UNTOUCHED!! There are also picks of the wreck before the fire crew got there. No way the fire was that big.

Notice the cable spools here and how they are not melted are burnt.




Notice the fire is put out now so the fire did have time to burn and the spools are still untouched by this heat that supposedly got so hot it melted the whole plane and its twin 6 ton titanium engines. Notice the fire trucks stilll there and NO other vehicles so that to me says there has been no debris removed, as the fire gets put out first, then the shit gets cleaned up. So where is the plane?




Another pic with the firetrucks just arrived putting out the fire BEFORE the wall collapsed on the Pentagon. When whatever hit the pentagon initially it left a 16-20 foot hole, over the next hour or so the fire and impact of it finally caused it to collapse, but this pic is pre-collapse, so WHERE IS THE PLANE?

TweetHere is the 16-20 foot hole that was left by whatever hit the pentagon before the wall collapsed. Notice once again NO PLANE.



Here is a close up shot of that hole that is in the red box above. Pretty small hole to make a Boeing 757 vanish out of thin air.



Still telling me the Boeing 757 got ate up by this 16 foot hole? Notice this pic is RIGHT after impact.

TweetNo debris? Sure looks like airplane wreckage to me.....

FACT: Blast expert Allyn E. Kilsheimer was the first structural engineer to arrive at the Pentagon after the crash and helped coordinate the emergency response. "It was absolutely a plane, and I'll tell you why," says Kilsheimer, CEO of KCE Structural Engineers PC, Washington, D.C. "I saw the marks of the plane wing on the face of the building. I picked up parts of the plane with the airline markings on them. I held in my hand the tail section of the plane, and I found the black box." Kilsheimer's eyewitness account is backed up by photos of plane wreckage inside and outside the building. Kilsheimer adds: "I held parts of uniforms from crew members in my hands, including body parts. Okay?"


And the 16-foot hole was on the INSIDE of the Pentegon....ring C:

FACT: When American Airlines Flight 77 hit the Pentagon's exterior wall, Ring E, it created a hole approximately 75 ft. wide, according to the ASCE Pentagon Building Performance Report. The exterior facade collapsed about 20 minutes after impact, but ASCE based its measurements of the original hole on the number of first-floor support columns that were destroyed or damaged. Computer simulations confirmed the findings.

Why wasn't the hole as wide as a 757's 124-ft.-10-in. wingspan? A crashing jet doesn't punch a cartoon-like outline of itself into a reinforced concrete building, says ASCE team member Mete Sozen, a professor of structural engineering at Purdue University. In this case, one wing hit the ground; the other was sheared off by the force of the impact with the Pentagon's load-bearing columns, explains Sozen, who specializes in the behavior of concrete buildings. What was left of the plane flowed into the structure in a state closer to a liquid than a solid mass. "If you expected the entire wing to cut into the building," Sozen tells PM, "it didn't happen."

The tidy hole in Ring C was 12 ft. wide--not 16 ft. ASCE concludes it was made by the jet's landing gear, not by the fuselage.



Sure looks like enough damage for a plane to me......


Skarn

TweetIt actually does look like plane debris in that last pic stout.

Tweetthat picture of the piece of plane is pretty much the only part show in all photos..also numerous plane experts agree that the engine shown is 100% not from a boeing 757

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Originally Posted by Skarn

And the 16-foot hole was on the INSIDE of the Pentegon....ring C:

FACT: When American Airlines Flight 77 hit the Pentagon's exterior wall, Ring E, it created a hole approximately 75 ft. wide, according to the ASCE Pentagon Building Performance Report. The exterior facade collapsed about 20 minutes after impact, but ASCE based its measurements of the original hole on the number of first-floor support columns that were destroyed or damaged. Computer simulations confirmed the findings.

Pictures don't lie. Where is this 75 foot wide hole? I see a hole that is about the widths of two windows. Unless they make these windows 75 feet apart. LOL.

Remember, this is the pic BEFORE the wall fell, so where did the plane go? You haven't answered this yet and I would love to know cuz I don't see it. I also don't see how the plane just "vanished". A Boeing 757 is GOING to leave debris, such as WINGS!

Where are the wings? They are not in the building? So where did they go? Did they just vanish out of thin air too?

Where are the twin 6 ton engines? Did they just vanish too?

I mean ****, who ever hid this Boeing 757 did a damn good job as it just VANISHED with a few scraps of metal along with 50 or so bodies that also just vanished.

TweetI'd also love to hear some other people's theory on how Building 7, which did NOT, get hit by a plane at the WTC just FELL to the ground?