TweetWho believes this is in the Constitution?

JohnnyB

TweetI'm thinking that it's not JohnnyB but it has been a while since I read the constitution which was in my Business Law class for my MGMGT degree.

TweetI sure don't,this country was founded on christan beliefs,their should be no seperation between the two.

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Originally Posted by MR.MUSCLE

I sure don't,this country was founded on christan beliefs,their should be no seperation between the two.

scary thought! You just described a theocracy.

this country was influenced by christian beliefs and not the way most christians claim. The F.F. wanted a nation opposed to religious persecution, i.e. puritan type laws (christians).

TweetYes there needs to be a seperation so the bible thumpers dont go off on a tangent forcing THEIR beliefs on everyone else. Their religion is their beliefs there should be NO reason on why I should have to abide by someone elses beliefs. That there would be unconstitutional.

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Originally Posted by Stout1

Yes there needs to be a seperation so the bible thumpers dont go off on a tangent forcing THEIR beliefs on everyone else. Their religion is their beliefs there should be NO reason on why I should have to abide by someone elses beliefs. That there would be unconstitutional.

The Constitution is someone elses belief, but you want to use it as a shield from Christian. Here's the problem, the people that made up the lie that it's in the Constitution over tax you and push socialist values on us. If they're lying about what's in the Constitution what else are they lying about?

JohnnyB

TweetI dont think we force are beliefs at all bro.We just tell it like it is,their's only one prince of peace bro,jesus is his name in case you forgoton.

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Originally Posted by MR.MUSCLE

I dont think we force are beliefs at all bro.We just tell it like it is,their's only one prince of peace bro,jesus is his name in case you forgoton.

he may not have forgotten bro, he may just not agree! and it ALMOST sounds like your TRYING to prove his point. i think our for fathers were very clear about NO-ONE being prossecuted for their beliefs, whatever they may be, but they certainly were christian infuenced.

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Originally Posted by MR.MUSCLE

I dont think we force are beliefs at all bro.We just tell it like it is,their's only one prince of peace bro,jesus is his name in case you forgoton.

Shit, all this time I thought his name was Morty. Thanks brother, you have just saved me from eternal damnation.

TweetIt's in there. It's not a matter of whether you believe it's in there or not; it's there.

Bill of Rights

Amendment I



Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

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Originally Posted by roark

It's in there. It's not a matter of whether you believe it's in there or not; it's there.

Bill of Rights

Amendment I



Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

That says nothing about separation of Church and State, it does that the State can't start a religion. The idea of separation of Church and State is braking this first Amendment, it goes out to make laws that prohibit the free exercise of religion.

Here's the one that gets me saying these people do think about what they're saying. A teacher in Cali had to have all of his school work preapproved by the principle because she knew he was a Christian. He was going to study the "Declaration of Independence, The Colonialist letters and the Contitution". She said they were religious documents and he couldn't use them, wow I'd be willing to bet she believes that the writer of these documents didn't want religion in government (seperation of Church and State).

Let's think about this, men with a belief in God wrote up a document that would prohibit them or people with the same beliefs to run the government or be involved in it. This is the type of think that is in our world today.

JohnnyB

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Originally Posted by JohnnyB

That says nothing about separation of Church and State, it does that the State can't start a religion. The idea of separation of Church and State is braking this first Amendment, it goes out to make laws that prohibit the free exercise of religion.

Here's the one that gets me saying these people do think about what they're saying. A teacher in Cali had to have all of his school work preapproved by the principle because she knew he was a Christian. He was going to study the "Declaration of Independence, The Colonialist letters and the Contitution". She said they were religious documents and he couldn't use them, wow I'd be willing to bet she believes that the writer of these documents didn't want religion in government (seperation of Church and State).

Let's think about this, men with a belief in God wrote up a document that would prohibit them or people with the same beliefs to run the government or be involved in it. This is the type of think that is in our world today.

JohnnyB

The concept of separation of church and state does not conflict with the first amendment. Time and time again the supreme court has held that our first amendment rights are not absolute. Moreover, a separation between church and state in no way interferes with anyones first amendment rights, everyone is free to pray when and where they want, it just cant be government sponsored.

While it does not mention the words "separation of church and state" it is clear that that was the intention behind the words in that particular amendment. Also, if you read the writings of most of the founding fathers, you will see that a separation between relgion and government was contemplated while drafting the constitution and the bill of rights.

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Originally Posted by roark

if you read the writings of most of the founding fathers, you will see that a separation between relgion and government was contemplated while drafting the constitution and the bill of rights.

You're are right, let consider there back round. They came from a country that had an establish religion, if you weren't part of the Church of England you were died or in prison. This is the basis of their writings to prohibit this same thing from happening again. So that they could freely express their beliefs, where ever that might be.

If I work for the government and I want to put up the 10 commandments for instance, this law say I can because I would be freely expressing my religion. The problem starts when the government begans regulating that freedom of expression. By me putting up whatever religious symbol or writing, it by no means should be interpreted as the state establishing a religion or backing one. It just my freedom of expression guaranteed by the 1st amendment.

JohnnyB

JohnnyB

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Originally Posted by JohnnyB

By me putting up whatever religious symbol or writing, it by no means should be interpreted as the state establishing a religion or backing one. It just my freedom of expression guaranteed by the 1st amendment.

JohnnyB

JohnnyB

If you work for the government and you put up the ten comandments in your cubicle, you're right, it shoudlnt be a problem. However, putting those same comandments at the steps of a courthouse is improper.

The government might prevent people from putting up their own personal religious items in government offices to avoid even looking as if they are sponsoring those items or that religion.

If you dont work in the government or for some government sponsored agency or the like, you are free to put up whatever you choose and dont have to worry about the establishment clause.

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Originally Posted by JohnnyB

You're are right, let consider there back round. They came from a country that had an establish religion, if you weren't part of the Church of England you were died or in prison. This is the basis of their writings to prohibit this same thing from happening again. So that they could freely express their beliefs, where ever that might be.

If I work for the government and I want to put up the 10 commandments for instance, this law say I can because I would be freely expressing my religion. The problem starts when the government begans regulating that freedom of expression. By me putting up whatever religious symbol or writing, it by no means should be interpreted as the state establishing a religion or backing one. It just my freedom of expression guaranteed by the 1st amendment.

JohnnyB

JohnnyB

there is a time and place for it. what i don't understand is why people feel the need to express THEIR religion to everyone