TweetListen eelkered - dumbdude has his take like everyone else however his advise is like the blind leading the blind. The advise to get your training, diet and knowledge up to snuff first is by no means a bullshit line of advise. Many of the vet's here and on any of the other gear boards will tell you to get those things in order first. Gaurantee you've got a long way to go with those things before you'll get you $'s worth outta PH's let alone any other gear.

If anyone thinks that PH's or gear are going to magically make muscles with out better than average consistant diet and routine they're wrong. Don't get sucked into the presure or the fancy advertising hype to do this stuff so soon.

As an example, we've all wanted to go get drunk off our ass before we could legally drink cause we see all this crap about how much fun alcohol is/can be and yeah, it can be. But keep an ear to your local news of the kid(s) that looses their life (or just some limbs) over drinking.

Point is, non of us here are your parents but we're still telling you that there are better alternitives (clean diet, protein, creatine, routine) - for now. Be smart about what you do, and when, and you'll get far better long lasting gains then if you just use your body as a peetri dish. Doesn't matter whether it's alcohol, pot, fastfood or the lack of knowledge about PH's and gear. Bottom line is garbage in will be garbage out.

Find yourself a wise vet at your local gym and pester the hell out of him and all the vet's on the boards and you'll do just fine. Follow someone who's clueless and I hope you have a flashlight to find your way out of the mess they're going to lead you into.

Be smart and educate yourself first bro. You'll get the best results from applying knowledge.

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Originally posted by Dumbdude
Oh yea that stuff about bones not being grown all the way or whatever is bullshit.

Why is that bullshit?