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Originally posted by ex_banana-eater
Ulter attacked the methodology of the testing, saying that chorionic compounds could not be told apart. Later this was proved wrong

first.

its chiral

second

the methodology used by IBC is extremely questionable, and has been called a farce by three larger labs.

third

the column that is needed for the test is not available from sigma aldritch or merck. It is very likely that the column used in the original study was manufactured by asta medica for the purpose of the test. it is very unlikely they gave or sold it to IBC.

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Originally posted by ex_banana-eater
1fast400 did not do the lab test, or buy it. The subsidiary company (the lab) of his fairly bought it directly from AF, and then had it tested.

actually the test was done by neogen, who supplies r-ala to 1fast. it is not clear how the lab received the bottle since they would not divulge the information nor EVEN CONFIRM THAT THEY HAD DONE THE TEST.

if you will notice in all the posts on the bb.com no evidence of the chain of custody, who actually paid, who supplied the material, etc is EVER GIVEN.

btw- just as an FYI the other thread and this one contains libelous comments and the original site linked to was in violation of numerous federal and state statutes with respect to the test and its publishing. These are violations of the TOS of this site. amazingly enough they are also violations of the TOS of elite and pretty much every forum on the internet.

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Originally posted by YellowJacket
I dont think Mike would have a reason to lie about the quality of the product.

Mike just didnt have a fake lab report printed up, Im sure it holds some merit, how much, I have no idea.

But I dont believe any lab tests printed on the site that sells the project, geeez, and if anyone does, I hope theyre not that ignorant.

then why would you believe the tests on label claims.... that said 1fasts r-ala was good. it was posted on a site that he owns, done by one of his suppliers (or so is claimed- their name is on the assay), with a link to the site from which he sells r-ala.

maybe you should put away your venom and rethink why it is you are making these statements, because it is not from logical thinking.

btw- this is not meant as an insult, but by your logic and reasoning in the post above- you are ignorant (based on your logic and your words)

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Originally posted by macro


btw- just as an FYI the other thread and this one contains libelous comments and the original site linked to was in violation of numerous federal and state statutes with respect to the test and its publishing. These are violations of the TOS of this site. amazingly enough they are also violations of the TOS of elite and pretty much every forum on the internet.

lol... this supposed to mean something? I gukess bring Ulter over and you guys can sue me too.

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Originally posted by macro
then why would you believe the tests on label claims.... that said 1fasts r-ala was good. it was posted on a site that he owns, done by one of his suppliers (or so is claimed- their name is on the assay), with a link to the site from which he sells r-ala.

Look, dumbass, I guess I can say this REALLY slow for our 'special members' I feel Mike has no reason to lie. Now when he sent his sample in, Im sure he had the benefit of the doubt and sent in a bottle he knew was perfect or close to it. Your bottle came back lackluster (to say the least) thats what the lab report said, thats what I see. Your 'lab results' mean nothing to me because you sell the product, of course youre going to post reports that say your product is the best.

maybe you should put away your venom and rethink why it is you are making these statements, because it is not from logical thinking.

Im not thinking logically or Im not thinking like you? Get off your soap box, you're a nobody. Maybe you should actually read the TOS here... this isnt Elite, you cant hide behind everyone here or delete posts you dont agree with. No wonder Ulter made his first million when he was 30 (lol), as many people as he's sued or threatened to sue, he should be a millionaire. You're whats wrong with the world my friend.

btw- this venom shit is getting old, youve said that a half dozen times now.

btw- this is not meant as an insult, but by your logic and reasoning in the post above- you are ignorant (based on your logic and your words)

btw- Your words no longer hold any merit, youre a scammer as far as Im concerned. Id ban you if you posted no any board I modded at for ripping off members with your weak products. See ya around Macro.

TweetHow old are you YJ? You sound like a teen with all this name calling. As Bass mentioned, buy a bottle, get it tested then make your mind up. Don't be spoon fed like child.

If you don't want to buy a bottle, then simply be quiet about it.

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Originally posted by maki riddington
How old are you YJ? You sound like a teen with all this name calling. As Bass mentioned, buy a bottle, get it tested then make your mind up. Don't be spoon fed like child.

If you don't want to buy a bottle, then simply be quiet about it.

Dont worry about my age or whats gone on in this thread, you obviously have nothing to add but your irrelevant opinion.

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Originally posted by YellowJacket
Dont worry about my age or whats gone on in this thread, you obviously have nothing to add but your irrelevant opinion.

*** Try actually replying to my posts rather then side stepping what I have to say. What I've said makes complete sense. However, guessing your age I'll assume you're a young buck and it's only time that will heal your immaturity issues.

Sincerely,
Maki R

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Originally posted by maki riddington
*** Try actually replying to my posts rather then side stepping what I have to say. What I've said makes complete sense. However, guessing your age I'll assume you're a young buck and it's only time that will heal your immaturity issues.

Sincerely,
Maki R

Yes, you of all people should be the judge of maturity, jumping into a thread and running your mouth..... like the pot calling the kettle black. We have been over this, maybe you should actually read the thread before you open your mouth./.... I dont really care to get the product tested, 1. because I dont want to spend the money 2. why dont everyone get it tested? Its already been tested and it came back 50% underfilled. If you want to question Mike's rep and ethics at 1fast400, take that up with him, not me. Good day.

Tweet"Yes, you of all people should be the judge of maturity, jumping into a thread and running your mouth..... like the pot calling the kettle black."

***YJ, it's called posting on a message board. You are familiar with this kind of activity, are you not?


"We have been over this, maybe you should actually read the thread before you open your mouth./...."

*** I have read the thread and the other threads posted on the other boards.

"I dont really care to get the product tested, 1. because I dont want to spend the money 2. why dont everyone get it tested? Its already been tested and it came back 50% underfilled. If you want to question Mike's rep and ethics at 1fast400, take that up with him, not me. Good day."

*** If you want to come to the conclusion that he is a fraud by way of disproving him through your own evidence then that is fine. However, calling someone names because the proof has been come from someone elses hands does not entitle you to a valid opinion. It entitles you to make empty claims backed by what you perceive to know. Not what you know as a fact.

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Originally posted by maki riddington


***YJ, it's called posting on a message board. You are familiar with this kind of activity, are you not?

Well that was a bit self contradicting, if its a message board, then get used to it and dont worry about my maturity. Stay on topic or leave the thread, simple. This thread isnt about me and my maturity level.....

*** I have read the thread and the other threads posted on the other boards.

Obviously not or you wouldnt be asking the same questions.

"I dont really care to get the product tested, 1. because I dont want to spend the money 2. why dont everyone get it tested? Its already been tested and it came back 50% underfilled. If you want to question Mike's rep and ethics at 1fast400, take that up with him, not me. Good day."

*** If you want to come to the conclusion that he is a fraud by way of disproving him through your own evidence then that is fine. However, calling someone names because the proof has been come from someone elses hands does not entitle you to a valid opinion. It entitles you to make empty claims backed by what you perceive to know. Not what you know as a fact.

If a lab test is an empty claim, then I guess that doesnt say much for their's either. Man, you really have no idea what youre talking about do you? Get off the name calling shit.

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and why the test and the lab that performs it have been called into serious question

Originally posted by retropump
From" Eur J Pharm Sci. 1999 Apr;8(1):57-65.

Dose-proportionality of oral thioctic acid--coincidence of assessments via pooled plasma and individual data.

Breithaupt-Grogler K, Niebch G, Schneider E, Erb K, Hermann R, Blume HH, Schug BS, Belz GG.


"Since the enantioselective assays require especially resourceful and time-consuming analytical procedures.................."

And from the original Chirality 1997 authors (Niebch et al):

"Possibly the assay response under the present conditions differs due to differences in reaction and/or fluorescence yield. This issue will be subject to further investigations........."

There are also some other papers since that Chirality 1997 paper that basically show the method is an absolute nightmare to set up or get consistant and reproducible results from. To date the assay used by the lab that ulter uses is the most accurate and well accepted method. This whole testing thing is just crazy, and as bruce and others have pointed out, the thing really needs to be done completely independently by labs that are agreed upon by the two folks that have issues here. Nothing else is worth even discussing IMHO.

Tweet"Well that was a bit self contradicting, if its a message board, then get used to it and dont worry about my maturity. Stay on topic or leave the thread, simple. This thread isnt about me and my maturity level....."

*** YJ, I'm quite adjusted to bad ass know it all attitudes on the internet. What I'm not used to is people telling me how I should be acting when their behavior is at fault. You were told to calm the name calling down by the administrator of this board, then again by a mod. Don't change the subject like you usually do.
It just shows that you have no foot to stand on.


"Obviously not or you wouldnt be asking the same questions.
I dont really care to get the product tested, 1. because I dont want to spend the money 2. why dont everyone get it tested? Its already been tested and it came back 50% underfilled. If you want to question Mike's rep and ethics at 1fast400, take that up with him, not me. Good day."

*** The problem with you YJ is that you are self proclaimed copy and paste guru. You hide behind the words of others and criticize people with your pompous holier then thou attitude. Think for yourself YJ, that's what smart intelligent people do.

The point that NG, Bass and myself are trying to convey is that you need to learn to be critical and not such such a puppy dog.
If evidence is given, does that mean it is what it is? Anything is possible.


"If a lab test is an empty claim, then I guess that doesnt say much for their's either. Man, you really have no idea what youre talking about do you? Get off the name calling shit."

*** I know exactly what I'm talking about YJ. You on the other hand are so caught up with discrediting this prodcut and the makers that you are blinded by your own ignorance. Ignorance is indeed bliss.