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    Over the past two years, I have taken it upon myself to speak out against Performance Enhancing Drugs in athletic competition (I.e. steroids, testosterone replacement therapy, etc.), and during my ever-evolving examinations and discussions (particularly with people who regularly use steroids), I have tried my best to leave my original notions at the doorstep, and to try to understand this issue with more of an open mind.

    At the end of the day however, I have come to three major conclusions with regards to PED’s; one—athletes and fans can try to justify them any way that they want, it’s still cheating. Two—the longer the debate continues, the less people seem to actually care. And three—the use of PED’s by anyone who would dare to call themselves a “martial artist” is nothing short of disgraceful.
    And it would seem that in a recent interview with MMA Fighting, UFC Legend BJ “the Prodigy” Penn, agrees with me:
    “I think everyone is really of the same opinion as I am, if they want to admit it or not,” said Penn. “Stuff like this is not easy to talk about. We're talking about friends and colleagues of mine. They look at me and they hear me say these things, and they're like, ‘You know you're the only guy that doesn't do it, right?’ And I'm like, I know.
    “It's a catch-22 for me. I believe so strongly in fair play and all these things, and on the other side, it's people you know and people you look up to—legends of the sport. They've been involved with stuff like that. I guess I shouldn't be so outspoken because I have so many friends and colleagues and so many people I respect in this sport that have gotten involved with stuff like TRT and hormone replacement.
    “I always said no. I always believed that technique is what it was all about. That's why I always took on the bigger challenges. That's what jiu-jitsu is about. That's why they have the Absolute Division, so when you're a white belt in jiu-jitsu, you’re already practicing wrestling with bigger people. I always believed it was in the technique. I always believed the needle was not the answer. I always believed that. I still believe it today.”


    Between the Lines Analysis:
    First of all, I sincerely admire BJ Penn for placing his principals above his own popularity, and for standing up for what he truly believes in. It definitely shows a strong moral character on his part. I’m impressed.
    Like BJ, I have known many people over the years who have used steroids—many of whom were very good friends of mine. They mainly used them for personal use in order to increase their bench press (insecure) or to look better at the beach (narcissistic), and honestly, I’ve never really had a problem with that. I definitely don’t respect it—never have, but I don’t have a problem with what other people do with their own bodies, just so long as it’s not harming anyone else.
    In fact, it’s sometimes difficult to discuss this issue honestly, and to have a strong opinion against them without upsetting or offending a few “innocent” bystanders along the way. Needless to say, I’ve lost a few friends as a result of my opinions.
    But such is life.
    I’ve never once let the thought of some big, roided-out monster with hands of steel capable of crushing my skull, deter me from voicing out against what I feel is a much greater social epidemic for the youth of today, and let’s not forget—our future athletes.


    The biggest argument in favour of PED’s is that they help to speed the “healing process” when fighters get injured.
    This is true.
    But please bear in mind that the number one reason why athletes, and especially fighters, get injured so often in the first place is because they constantly over-train and push their bodies beyond their physical limits. So of course they’re going to get injured, and of course the PED’s will help to speed their recovery.
    That’s the main purpose of PED’s in athletic competition by the way—to heal faster, which then allows the athletes to be able to train harder—grow stronger—become faster. Training more intensely for longer periods of time allows an athlete to gain a physical advantage, as well as psychological.
    And that, sports fans...is cheating.
    Additionally, I feel that BJ’s concerns over the use of TRT are spot on. The Athletic Commissions can’t even monitor the use of steroids properly—how on earth are they ever going to control the use of TRT so that the athletes aren’t abusing these substances as well?
    According to the “Fight Doc,” Dr. Johnny Benjamin...they can’t, and TRT should be banned immediately because of this.
    Have we learned nothing from “Hispanic” Chael Sonnen or Nate Marquardt?
    Will we as a society just continue to stick our heads in the sand like we do with so many other of life’s problems?
    I know...I know...rule #2: Nobody cares anymore. Sure we like to pretend that we do, and we certainly love to argue and debate these issues back and forth, but when it really comes down to it, no one is prepared to say, “Enough is enough.”
    There’s just too much at stake for the athletes, the companies that employ them, and the fans that love to bet money on them. Plus, let’s not forget, each and every time that science figures out a new way to catch cheaters, science will also continue to find new ways to stay one step ahead of itself in order to mask PED’s from detection.
    It’s a vicious cycle that keeps revolving back to conversations exactly like this one.
    At this point, shouldn’t PED’s just be permitted in sports, and then those who choose NOT to use them can just make that choice for themselves?
    God help us all if that ever happens.


    Veritas Vos Liberabit

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    Re: BJ Penn Speaks Out on PED

    wow, i must say i was surprised to hear your opinion on this. I respect your opinion and propose this; why not do like bodybuilding and have tested and non tested divisions. I know bbing isnt the best example because the drugs are everyone but you can tell the difference in the level of use between the tested shows and the non-tested. There are far less monsters in the tested divisions. Perhaps this can help to give those who choose not to use a more fair venue?
    If you don't mind me asking though, who determines what training naturally is? Is it only getting your nutrients from food sources? IS creatine supplementation natural because it is found in food? In order to get enough creatine from a diet you would need to eat lbs of steak everyday and that cerrtainly would be healthly but it would be "natural". The same would go for protein, aminos when is supplementation natural? By definiteion of the word it is in addition to what is found normally. I'm not going to say steroids are the same as food but it is supplementation.

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      I believe the point was made best in "Bigger, stronger, faster" when they show the cyclist i think it was, and his homemade altitude chamber. Its legal for him to use an altitude chamber to increase red blood cell count but epo is not ok even though the results are similar. Why? there is nothing natural about using an altitude chamber. Why is one scientific advantage ok and not another? its not about keeping a level playing field because not everyone can has an altitudechamber so now this guy has an unfair advantage.
      I do want to stress that i respect your opinion but i would also like to support the other side.

      My personal choice to use is because there is no way in hell my i can get to my ideal weight of 240lbs and looking monstrous naturally. My natural state was a skinny 136lbs when i was 19yrs old. if my goal was to get to 170lbs from 136lbs i'd say i definitely could have done it over the years but i'm not looking to be a fitness model, i want to be a monster. I know i obviously have insecurity issues but dont we all?

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      • #4
        Re: BJ Penn Speaks Out on PED

        Originally posted by chemicallyengineered View Post
        wow, i must say i was surprised to hear your opinion on this. I respect your opinion and propose this; why not do like bodybuilding and have tested and non tested divisions. I know bbing isnt the best example because the drugs are everyone but you can tell the difference in the level of use between the tested shows and the non-tested. There are far less monsters in the tested divisions. Perhaps this can help to give those who choose not to use a more fair venue?
        If you don't mind me asking though, who determines what training naturally is? Is it only getting your nutrients from food sources? IS creatine supplementation natural because it is found in food? In order to get enough creatine from a diet you would need to eat lbs of steak everyday and that cerrtainly would be healthly but it would be "natural". The same would go for protein, aminos when is supplementation natural? By definiteion of the word it is in addition to what is found normally. I'm not going to say steroids are the same as food but it is supplementation.

        Lol! This is not my opinion, as I was not the author of this. I must have forgot to include the author's name.
        Veritas Vos Liberabit

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        • #5
          Re: BJ Penn Speaks Out on PED

          oops, i feel silly now that I know the first paragraph was not your words. guess i'm just a slightly defensive juicehead.

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          • #6
            Re: BJ Penn Speaks Out on PED

            i agree with BJ. I gave up BB and power lifting to train to fight (although i now realize the there is a huge diff between me and a real fighter)

            i think CE he is just speaking about PEDs and not supps or hypoberic chamber.

            in BB where competition is solely aesthetic and subjective i see no prob with it. I have used gear but stopped when i changed my goals.

            but in athletic competition where two men are attempting to find out which one has superior technique and skill. Gear can give an unfair advantage. i do believe gear can be used by guys to help heal injuries in training but not for enhancement of their performance.

            as for guys who use it to get big and fight they are at a disadvantage as their cardio will suffer. but guys who use drugs like nandrolone base can train harder, longer and have less joint probs than a guy doing it with supps and food
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              Re: BJ Penn Speaks Out on PED

              Originally posted by jipped genes View Post
              i agree with BJ. I gave up BB and power lifting to train to fight (although i now realize the there is a huge diff between me and a real fighter)

              i think CE he is just speaking about PEDs and not supps or hypoberic chamber.

              in BB where competition is solely aesthetic and subjective i see no prob with it. I have used gear but stopped when i changed my goals.

              but in athletic competition where two men are attempting to find out which one has superior technique and skill. Gear can give an unfair advantage. i do believe gear can be used by guys to help heal injuries in training but not for enhancement of their performance.

              as for guys who use it to get big and fight they are at a disadvantage as their cardio will suffer. but guys who use drugs like nandrolone base can train harder, longer and have less joint probs than a guy doing it with supps and food
              I was just trying to point out the fact that unfair advantages can be achieved many ways, so what makes one method ok over another? every sport will have players dancing in the grey areas and even the red if they believe they will not get caught. Life is always a risk to benefit analysis, if the benefit outways the risk human nature says we will take the risk. When you add in the extra incentive of $$$$ the temptation is magnified.

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              • #8
                Re: BJ Penn Speaks Out on PED

                Originally posted by jipped genes View Post
                but in athletic competition where two men are attempting to find out which one has superior technique and skill.
                This wraps it up. It's all about the skill and technique. Anything that can give any other man an unfair advantage, should not be taken. Otherwise, it defeats the purpose. Skill and technique should be the only factors, but when all things are equal, size must be taken into consideration...hence the weight classes. We can't really get away from that these days. I agree with BJ here also. I like that he is not afraid to tell what he really thinks even though it may not be something some of his friends want to hear.
                "He woke up because I kept punching him in the face." --Thiago Alves

                "I'm telling you, once your car's been stolen, it never runs the same again. It's like a guy sleeping with your girl. He leaves his mark all over her."- Drama (Entourage)

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                • #9
                  Re: BJ Penn Speaks Out on PED

                  But I agree with CE about the money aspect. As long as those huge pay days are out there, many people will take that risk and PEDs will still be in the sport.
                  "He woke up because I kept punching him in the face." --Thiago Alves

                  "I'm telling you, once your car's been stolen, it never runs the same again. It's like a guy sleeping with your girl. He leaves his mark all over her."- Drama (Entourage)

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