brock wns

[tn94z]

Re: brock wns

I do think that Carwin gave up the submission. Now that isn't taking anything away from Brock because Carwin was obviously broken by Brock's performance. I will be one to admit that Brock was hurt. His knees buckled a bit and seemed like he wanted to break out in a chicken dance. There was even one point on the ground when I thought that Brock was about to tap out from strikes. But he toughed it out and that is what a champ has to do.

When I said something about Brock needing to learn to get a hold of his opponents in that position, I don't mean anything bad. He covered up very well, but when that type of fight is going on, you are taking a big chance of the fight being stopped when you are just laying there like that, whether you are covering up or not...you are still taking strikes. Had he known how to get some control (he eventually did tie Carwin up) he wouldn't have taken so much damage.

[FUZO]

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Ok you might of thought he was about to tap but I just watched the fight again and no where does brocks hands try to tap or does he even think about tapping with his hands.And I posted this earlier that any fighter who has punches raining down on them they cover up and kinda wait until the other fighter punches themselves out because the ref can see the fighter just hitting gloves as was carwin doing the majority of the time. And they also try to get a jab in there so the ref doesnt stop it. No where at anytime was brock in that much trouble for the ref to stop it. If the punches were getting through then its a different story

[JsJs24]

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I must have been watching a different fight last night judging from some of these reviews. I am honest enough to give Brock the credit he deserves for winning the fight with pure skill. However, to take anything away from Carwin is not fair. Carwin pounded on Brock like he was the monster that can man handle anyone. That is just simply a fact. Nobody has ever taken Brock down like that and thrown that many blows. It was an awesome fight and Brock proved superior by finishing it with a choke hold. Big props to Lesnar. I have always liked both fighters, and for a good reason, they are both outstanding MMA fighters. My hat goes off to both fighters for giving us an awesome fight.

[tn94z]

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I don't think anything can be taken away from Carwin. He did man handle Lesnar in the first, but he made the mistake of getting tightened up and blowing his cardio. He will learn from it and be back very quickly.

[jipped genes]

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i picked brock to win. he has a freakish big man cardio. i just dont understand why carwin dosnt get his stamina up.

IMO if i am winning on the feet and my opponent is hurt. stand his ass up and KO him.

i think carwin did what liddell did. he smelled blood and put himself in harms way by gassing his self out throwing punches to brocks forearms hopeing for a stoppage.

it cost him

[JsJs24]

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i picked brock to win. he has a freakish big man cardio. i just dont understand why carwin dosnt get his stamina up.

IMO if i am winning on the feet and my opponent is hurt. stand his ass up and KO him.

i think carwin did what liddell did. he smelled blood and put himself in harms way by gassing his self out throwing punches to brocks forearms hopeing for a stoppage.

it cost him

Yep, he should have let Brock up but I think it is a striker's instinct to pounce on an opponent once they have the chance. Also, Carwin probably thought he could ko or tko Brock at some point but found out Brock has an iron head. I can't imagine anyone else in MMA being able to withstand that many blows from Carwin. I would compare Carwin's mistake to that of Brock's back when he lost by submission to Mir. It is a simple mistake to make and he will learn from it the way Brock did. As for Cardio, I don't think there is anything Carwin can do about that. He already trains in CO at higher altitudes. I would bet that his lack of endurance is due more to his age. Brock will remain the champion imo long enough for a second fight against Carwin. I don't see Vasquez beating Brock but I may be proved wrong.

[FUZO]

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He already trains in CO at higher altitudes.

Bingo jsjs everyone said carwins cardio wont be a factor because he trains in a high altitude well guess what that didnt mean shit in this fight his cardio was bad. Everyone said carwin is the man because he has all these 1st rnd ko's but carwin was never tested to go more then 1 round and if you dont go more then 1 rnd how does anyone know if he could go more,,and he couldnt. Carwin is going to have to lose weight to get his cardio better. Brock is just gifted and has the cardio at 265-280 carwin doesnt

[Schiznick]

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I must have been watching a different fight last night judging from some of these reviews. I am honest enough to give Brock the credit he deserves for winning the fight with pure skill. However, to take anything away from Carwin is not fair. Carwin pounded on Brock like he was the monster that can man handle anyone. That is just simply a fact. Nobody has ever taken Brock down like that and thrown that many blows. It was an awesome fight and Brock proved superior by finishing it with a choke hold. Big props to Lesnar. I have always liked both fighters, and for a good reason, they are both outstanding MMA fighters. My hat goes off to both fighters for giving us an awesome fight.

Soo true... I actually had the 1st round as a 10-8 for Carwin

[JsJs24]

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Bingo jsjs everyone said carwins cardio wont be a factor because he trains in a high altitude well guess what that didnt mean shit in this fight his cardio was bad. Everyone said carwin is the man because he has all these 1st rnd ko's but carwin was never tested to go more then 1 round and if you dont go more then 1 rnd how does anyone know if he could go more,,and he couldnt. Carwin is going to have to lose weight to get his cardio better. Brock is just gifted and has the cardio at 265-280 carwin doesnt

I'm not sure how much weight Carwin could stand to lose. According to his profile on his web page he walks around at 295 naturally. Thus, he is already cutting 30 lbs to fight at 265.

[FUZO]

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I'm not sure how much weight Carwin could stand to lose. According to his profile on his web page he walks around at 295 naturally. Thus, he is already cutting 30 lbs to fight at 265.

wow then he might have a problem then

[brody13]

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I really hate brock as a person, dont like his attitude and really wanted him to get smashed, but he impressed me with this fight. Would love to see a remach tho.

[JsJs24]

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wow then he might have a problem then

That number is on his personal page under bio, here's the link.

http://www.shane-carwin.com/page/2644239:Page:29

[tn94z]

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I'm not sure how much weight Carwin could stand to lose. According to his profile on his web page he walks around at 295 naturally. Thus, he is already cutting 30 lbs to fight at 265.

It really depends on what his "natural" weight physique is.

[Strella]

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Brock got smashed in the first round easy 10-8 and Carwin just put it all out there and was 2-3 more strikes away from it being over. Second round was dumb and Carwin might as well have just thrown in the towel as he basically let himself get chocked and didnt try to get out at all. Good news for Carwin is that you can always get your cardio in check real quick and he seems like a smart and dedicated enough guy to do it so Ill take Carwin in a rematch. I didnt even care who won but its frustrating to see one guy dominate for the majority of the fight only to lose cause of cardio issues.

[FUZO]

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Good news for Carwin is that you can always get your cardio in check real quick and he seems like a smart and dedicated enough guy to do it so Ill take Carwin in a rematch. I didnt even care who won but its frustrating to see one guy dominate for the majority of the fight only to lose cause of cardio issues.

I will disagree with you on its not that easy for a 300lb man to get cardio that easy.He might be able to improve it a little but he needs to lose weight to get it alot better. And we have something in common as you say its frustrating to see someone dominating a fight then lose. Just like me when chuck was winning the entire fight and loses with 5 seconds left. See the difference in carwin and chuck is that chuck made a pschycological mistake and carwin flat out didnt have cardio. Plus all his fans that said he trains in colorado in a high altitude well that didnt do shit for him. Hers a guy who trained 1 year for brock and he couldnt go 2 rounds without gassing. He doesnt have it and probably wont get his cardio better. He's been training like this for years with his cardio conditioning. And maybe like I said its some of the talent he fought just wasnt that good. No one is going to tell me that shane didnt train for cardio,just maybe he doesnt have any because he's 300lbs and has to lose all that weight before a fight.