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  • Hackleman Says Liddell's loss broke his heart

    Chuck Liddell’s trainer John Hackleman hopes and expects his long-time pupil will be hanging up his gloves for good following the stoppage loss to Rich Franklin in the headline bout of UFC 115. It was Liddell’s third consecutive stoppage loss and put him 1-5 in his last six outings.

    "You can't make someone quit. But definitely when I looked down at him in the cage, my stomach ... it just didn't feel good,” Hackleman told Sports Illustrated. "Looking down at him cut like that, broke my heart."

    Hackleman said a “warrior mentality” can be blamed for Liddell’s latest loss. "All the game planning went out the window and the warrior in him took over. He dropped his hands, took his chin up and started swinging for the fences. That's the way he went in and that's the way he went out. That's just him."

    Liddell has not commented on the loss yet and has made no statements on his career or future direction. Hackleman told Sports Illustrated he has not spoken to his fighter about the aftermath of UFC 115 but expects to do so when they meet in Las Vegas this week for The Ultimate Fighter season 11 finale.

    UFC president Dana White told Fighters Only prior to the fight that Liddell would almost certainly be done if he lost. While he stopped short of saying he would force him to retire - that didn’t work last time - he does consider Liddell a friend, is genuinely concerned for him and does not want to see him fight again.

    Last time White tried forcing retirement upon Liddell he was met with stubborn resistance. Liddell accepted the he had suffered two bad back-to-back stoppages (Rashad Evans and Mauricio ‘Shogun’ Rua) but contended that “it wasn’t like I was getting my ass kicked”.

    If Liddell is looking to continue fighting, expect him to use the same reasoning again. He looked good in the fight against Franklin and had the upper hand prior to the fight-finishing shot that dropped him. But there is no point winning 14 minutes and 55 seconds of a fight if your chin has become susceptible to punches that previously would not have hurt.

    That is not to take away from Franklin’s finish - we have seen him punch with power before - but several years ago that shot would probably not have had the same effect. White and Hackleman are not alone in hoping Liddell calls it a day. He has a legion of fans around the world who would like to see him draw a line under his distinguished fighting career and move into another role with the UFC.
    I wish we could have gotten a chance to see some of that new training that Chuck was working on before that happened.

    I wouldn't doubt what Chuck doesn't beg Dana to at least fight Tito again before he is gone.
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    Re: Hackleman Says Liddell's loss broke his heart

    Hackleman said a “warrior mentality” can be blamed for Liddell’s latest loss. "All the game planning went out the window and the warrior in him took over. He dropped his hands, took his chin up and started swinging for the fences. That's the way he went in and that's the way he went out. That's just him

    IVE BEEN FUK'N SAYING THIS HOW FRIGGIN LONG. AND TODAY I'M IN THE GYM AND LISTENING TO THESE GUYS WHO I DONT KNOW TALKING ABOUT THE FIGHT AND ALL 4 OF THEM SAID THE SAME THING ITS A PSYCHOLOGICAL THING A MENTAL THING IN CHUCKS HEAD HE NEEDS THERAPY. IVE BEEN RIGHT ALL ALONG. HE SHOULD GO TO PRIDE K1 OR SOMETHING OR EVEN AMATURE FIGHTINGS AGAIN TO GET BACK THE BASICS AND TO GET TRAINED BY A BOXING COACH. JUST LIKE I SAID 4:55 HE WON THAT FIGHT UNTIL HIS MENTALITY KICKED IN AGAIN. SO AGAIN ANYONE WANTS TO ARGUE THIS BRING IT BECAUSE IF CHUCKS COACH SAYS THIS THEN EVERYONE IN HIS LIFE KNOWS THIS.AND HE WILL FIGHT AGAIN AND BEAT THE SNOT OUT OF TITO. HE SHOULDNT HANG THEM UP. AND HE'S RIGHT CHUCK IT WASNT LIKE HE WAS GETTING BEAT WITH SHOGUN OR RASHAAD. HE ACTUALKY WAS WINNING AGAIN.ONCE CHUCKS HEAD IS ON RIGHT EVERYONE WILL THEN SEE THE CHUCK WHEN HE FOUGHT WANDY
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      Re: Hackleman Says Liddell's loss broke his heart

      This was also said:

      But there is no point winning 14 minutes and 55 seconds of a fight if your chin has become susceptible to punches that previously would not have hurt.

      That is not to take away from Franklin’s finish - we have seen him punch with power before - but several years ago that shot would probably not have had the same effect.
      And I agree. I agree with Fuzo and Hackleman as well. He was winning the fights and did get knocked out because of his warrior spirit but that's how he has always fought.

      That's the way he went in and that's the way he went out. That's just him.
      I don't really see him going to another organization just because he has been so loyal to the UFC and what not. I think that Dana will give him a pimp job at the UFC that will deter him from going. I would love to see him and Tito go at it one more time just because that fight would be so heated. I see that being an easy win for Chuck too.
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        Re: Hackleman Says Liddell's loss broke his heart

        I see that being an easy win for Chuck too.
        Now this is coming from me I wouldnt bet the farm on this fight if chucks mind set is the same as the previous fights and cmon I'm saying this.The loss of sleep knowing you probably would of won the fight if only you didnt want that last 5 second finsih and he should of backed off. I dont care what anyone says with that type of broken arm after the minute and the adrenaline dump another kick or take down would of stopped rich. The thought of losing with 5 seconds left will haunt him.If it was a hand the fight for sure would of went on no problem but not with that trpe of break in his arm
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          Re: Hackleman Says Liddell's loss broke his heart

          I just think that it is one of those things where Chuck just has Tito's number. Some fighters just have other fighters number...I know that is just a saying but it is fairly accurate. Tito's style plays right into what Chuck likes to do. Tito will let his emotions come into the fight too much and he will stand and bang with Chuck.

          You are right. Another kick to that arm in the 2nd and it would have probably been over. You can see how much pain he was in just taking his tape off.
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            Re: Hackleman Says Liddell's loss broke his heart

            I honestly dont want to see Chuck fight Tito again now.. He has NOTHING to prove to Tito, he beat his ass twice already.. its a trap fight.. can you imagine with Chucks weaker chin now if Tito actually knocked him out to end Chucks career..? That would be a VERY bad way to end a GREAT career.. no bueno.. Chuck needs to just hang it up and be a celebrity and shit
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            • #7
              Re: Hackleman Says Liddell's loss broke his heart

              hell with that i want to see him come back and whop titos ass!!!!!!!!! i hate tito and i have always liked chuck.. to be honest its just what chuck needs rite now.. is to whoop titos ass...

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