KOZ WINS

[tn94z]

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You know why I say that Kos would never KO GSP? Because he telegraphs that over hand right very badly. You can see it coming a mile away. Chuck Liddel made that shot famous and now everyone sees it coming. He really windmills that punch,

[FUZO]

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Your so full of it its pathetic dude you call a spade a spade yeah right get a grip dude.

GSP may not be a champion wrestler, but he sure outwrestled the wrestling champion named Kos in their MMA match.

what friggin part do you need a explanation on how mma wrestling is different then the true pin you on the matt. wrestling 1-2-3 count pinned. Thres no kicking or punching in true wrestling so how in the world can you say gsp out wrestled koz. In real wrestling you dont kick or punch first then try a take down what the hell is with you.

And yes you are trying to use the math. You said if Serra can KO GSP then Kos can KO GSP.

SEE MORE CRAP FROM YOU I NEVER USED THIS AS MATH JUST BECAUSE ONE GUY KO ANOTHER GUY SO THE OTHER GUY CAN KO SOME OTHER DUDE I NEVER SAID THAT YOU ARE SAYING THAT TALK ABOUT TWISTING WORDS AROUND

AGAIN TAKE HEAD OUT OF BUTT THIS THREAD IS ABOUT KOZ BEING A BETTER NATURAL TRUE WRESTLER THEN GSP WHAT PART OF THAT DONT YOU UNDERSTAND IF YOU NEED I CAN TRANSLATE IT IN CHINESE SO YOU CAN UNDERSTAND IT BETTER. AND AGAIN FOR YOU TO SAY KOZ CAN NEVER KO GSP IS WHY YOUR 100% WRONG ,WAIT ARE YOU GOD DO YOU KNOW WHATS GOING TO HAPPEN NEXT IN LIFE OR WHO'S GONNA DIE OR GET KNOCKED OUT SO FOR YOU TO SAY KOZ WILL NEVER KO GSP IS JUST PLAIN IGNORRANT.AGAIN KOZ BEATS GSP IN A TRUE WRESTLING MATCH. I'LL TAKE THE 4 TIME CHAMPION OVER YOUR MMA KARATE BJJ TAEKWANDO GUY IN A REAL WRESTLING MATCH. CAN YOU UNDER STAND THAT. THIS ISNT ABOUT MMA ITS ABOUT REAL WRESTLING YOU TWISTED IT AROUND TO THINK YOUR GOD GSP CAN NEVER BE BEAT OR EVEN KO BY KOZ.

[tn94z]

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Your so full of it its pathetic dude you call a spade a spade yeah right get a grip dude.



what friggin part do you need a explanation on how mma wrestling is different then the true pin you on the matt. wrestling 1-2-3 count pinned. Thres no kicking or punching in true wrestling so how in the world can you say gsp out wrestled koz. In real wrestling you dont kick or punch first then try a take down what the hell is with you.



SEE MORE CRAP FROM YOU I NEVER USED THIS AS MATH JUST BECAUSE ONE GUY KO ANOTHER GUY SO THE OTHER GUY CAN KO SOME OTHER DUDE I NEVER SAID THAT YOU ARE SAYING THAT TALK ABOUT TWISTING WORDS AROUND

AGAIN TAKE HEAD OUT OF BUTT THIS THREAD IS ABOUT KOZ BEING A BETTER NATURAL TRUE WRESTLER THEN GSP WHAT PART OF THAT DONT YOU UNDERSTAND IF YOU NEED I CAN TRANSLATE IT IN CHINESE SO YOU CAN UNDERSTAND IT BETTER. AND AGAIN FOR YOU TO SAY KOZ CAN NEVER KO GSP IS WHY YOUR 100% WRONG ,WAIT ARE YOU GOD DO YOU KNOW WHATS GOING TO HAPPEN NEXT IN LIFE OR WHO'S GONNA DIE OR GET KNOCKED OUT SO FOR YOU TO SAY KOZ WILL NEVER KO GSP IS JUST PLAIN IGNORRANT.AGAIN KOZ BEATS GSP IN A TRUE WRESTLING MATCH. I'LL TAKE THE 4 TIME CHAMPION OVER YOUR MMA KARATE BJJ TAEKWANDO GUY IN A REAL WRESTLING MATCH. CAN YOU UNDER STAND THAT. THIS ISNT ABOUT MMA ITS ABOUT REAL WRESTLING YOU TWISTED IT AROUND TO THINK YOUR GOD GSP CAN NEVER BE BEAT OR EVEN KO BY KOZ.

I know the difference between the two. But what you are not getting is the fact that this ISN'T COLLEGE WRESTLING!! This thread started out about Koz winning, then I said something about Hardy having a better shot against GSP than Kos or Swick. Then you flipped it saying and I quote:

As for wrestling put Koz and gsp in a wrestling match and koz wins he isnt a state champ 4 times for nothing.

Just because you made this comment doesn't turn the whole thread into a talk about who is the better collegiate wrestler, because to be honest, it doesn't mean s*** in MMA as we saw in their first fight. As far as MMA goes, GSP outwrestled Kos in their match. He controlled him even after he got him on the ground.

And you need to show me in my posts where I said that GSP is ready for the Olympic team...all I said was the he wasn't trying out for the team for nothing, that was to show that he some wrestling skills....not saying that he is the best wrestler in Canada.

at matt sera and him smashing GSP oops and now your saying that KOZ's over hand right with that mighty power if connects GSP is going to sleep like yoshiyuki yoshida

Matt Serra is known for having power in both hands. That is why you can't compare the two. I would be willing to bet that he hits as hard as Kos just because his punch is much more technically sound.

I stated that "never KO GSP" to get a rise from you. I see it worked.

And you keep saying "Kos would beat GSP in a true wrestling match." Of course he would, what idiot wouldn't think that? That is like me saying that "GSP would beat Kos in a true Karate match, or BJJ match, or Muay Thai match." But the bottom line is, it doesn't matter if you don't have the complete package. This is MMA not college wrestling....I can't seem to say that enough

[FUZO]

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And you keep saying "Kos would beat GSP in a true wrestling match." Of course he would, what idiot wouldn't think that?

And all of this could of been avoided by you saying this in the firt place as I said it to begin with koz out wrestles gsp anytime of the day in a wrestling match but you want to keep bringing mma into this.And again you twist one of your sayings

That is like me saying that "GSP would beat Kos in a true Karate match, or BJJ match, or Muay Thai match

This wasnt about mma this was about wrestling like I stated so why do you bring shit like this up. even olympic wrestling koz would be better at gsp and it ws even stated 2 canadians were better then gsp but it was you that twisted this whole thing around and its you that cant realize it

And you need to show me in my posts where I said that GSP is ready for the Olympic team...all I said was the he wasn't trying out for the team for nothing, that was to show that he some wrestling skills....not saying that he is the best wrestler in Canada

In wich in return I turned it into wrestling and then the debate begain with all your nonsense but now you say gsp would lose. Its amazing dude you cant see that. This was about wrestling about the olymics about who is better for the olympics all that stuff but you kept turning into mma.

[tn94z]

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You are nuts man. The thread is still about MMA. For me, it has always been about MMA. And when the wrestling thing was brought up, I agree with you. What did I twist by agreeing with you? I never said that Kos wouldn't fair better trying out for the team. That is his world. God, you are thick headed! This IS MMA!! THIS WHOLE FORUM IS ABOUT MMA!! Why are we even talking about a wrestling match that would never happen? Why are we talking about some accomplishments that Kos had 10 years ago or more? You are a GSP hater and that is the bottom line. The only ounce of argument in your whole debate is the fact that Kos was a good high school and collegiate wrestler. Yes he was...but he still lost to GSP.

Here are my posts about the wrestling portion:

I agree that he probably doesn't have the experience that KOS had in HS, but while KOS has been doing nothing but MMA the last few years, GSP has been training with the Canadian Olympic team.

I know the facts and I didn't say that I think GSP is a better "wrestler." I do think that GSP incorporates his wrestling in a much more dominate way than Kos does in MMA. I agree with you that Kos is the better true wrestler. But I will say this, GSP is not far behind and is catching up. KOS doesn't worry about wrestling any more because he says he "knows how to do that already." GSP is constantly training with Olympic wrestlers and if the these two continue like this, yes GSP will become the better wrestler.

Listen, I agree about the Olympic wrestling thing. but GSP is not going to wrestle Kos in the tryouts. Kos will have to face him in MMA and he is not on that level...period.

And you keep saying "Kos would beat GSP in a true wrestling match." Of course he would, what idiot wouldn't think that?

So what I need you to do is show me where in these posts did I say that GSP would beat Kos in a wrestling match? There are my responses to the wrestling portions, so if you can show me where I said that GSP is the better "collegiate style" wrestler and would win over Kos in a "collegiate style" match, and would make the Canadian team and has a better shot than Kos at making the team, then I will agree that I was wrong. Otherwise, your argument has no merit...

[FUZO]

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My argument has a ton of merit because you admitted koz is better the gsp in wrestling that you just admitted now after all of this back and forths instead of saying it in the begining which you didnt. I turned this into wrestling which obviously you didnt like because then your boy gsp couldnt be the better true wrestler. For the record its a joke that he is even considering trying out for the olympic canadian team.

[tn94z]

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I said it from the beginning. This was my first post where I actually said who had the most experience:

I agree that he probably doesn't have the experience that KOS had in HS, but while KOS has been doing nothing but MMA the last few years, GSP has been training with the Canadian Olympic team.

You turned it into wrestling because that's the only chance Kos has of beating GSP and you know that. I am done with this. It's like arguing with my 7 year old.

I don't think it's a joke. Why is it a joke? He is testing himself at another level, why is that a joke? Do you think it was a joke that BJ wanted to test himself against GSP?

[tn94z]

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And I'm not the only one that puts Kos below Hardy:

1. Georges St. Pierre (19-2)
After months of waiting, St. Pierre finally knows the next challenger to his welterweight throne. Come February, St. Pierre will risk his UFC title for the fourth time against Nottingham, England's Dan "The Outlaw" Hardy.

2. Jon Fitch (19-3, 1 NC)
The opponent carousel has finally settled for Jon Fitch: After slated bouts with Ricardo Almeida and Thiago Alves fell apart due to injury, the former UFC title challenger will now meet once-beaten Mike Pierce at UFC 107 on Dec. 12.

3. Thiago Alves (16-6)
When injury struck Ricardo Almeida, it appeared that Alves would have his chance for revenge on former opponent Jon Fitch, who had defeated him in June 2006. However, Alves tweaked his knee and will now need to wait for another day to rematch Fitch.

4. Dan Hardy (23-6)
In the biggest fight of his career at UFC 105, Hardy showed off his familiar grit as well as technical improvements in taking a unanimous decision over Mike Swick. The victory has earned Hardy the next crack at the UFC welterweight crown, as he is expected to meet Georges St. Pierre in February.

5. Josh Koscheck (14-4)
Despite heading into the bout as an underdog, Koscheck notched a major victory at UFC 106. He choked out fearsome hitter Anthony "Rumble" Johnson in the second round and continued to work himself back into the UFC welterweight title picture.

6. Paulo Thiago (12-1)
It was not a performance that would've likely beat originally scheduled opponent Thiago Alves, but Paulo Thiago was able to take a competitive unanimous decision over previously unbeaten Jacob Volkmann at UFC 106. The win moved his UFC mark to 2-1 and provided a small measure of proof that he's more than a flash in the pan.

7. Mike Swick (14-3)
On the brink of a welterweight title shot, Swick fell short against Dan Hardy at UFC 105. The loss puts the AKA product back among the general welterweight population in a hyper-competitive and ever-improving division.

8. Paul Daley (22-8-2)
UFC 103 marked Daley's biggest win to date, as he blew away Martin Kampmann in the blink of an eye. To get into title contention and prove himself a truly elite welterweight, Daley will have to deal with former WEC welterweight champ Carlos Condit at UFC 108.

9. Martin Kampmann (15-3)
Kampmann was quickly bashed by British banger Paul Daley at UFC 103 in September. His return bout will feature another heavy-handed opponent when he takes on Rory Markham at UFC 108 on Jan. 2.

10. Carlos Condit (24-5)
After surviving a major scare against Jake Ellenberger in September, Condit will be forced to deal with another heavy pair of hands at UFC 108 on Jan. 2 when he meets highlight reel-producing Brit Paul Daley.

[tn94z]

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Another site:

1 Georges St.Pierre
13-2
19-2 vs. Dan Hardy

2 Jon Fitch
10-1
19-3 vs. Mike Pierce

3
Thiago Alves
9-3
16-4
vs.

4
Dan Hardy
4-0
23-6
vs. Georges St.Pierre

5
Paulo Thiago
2-1
12-1
vs.

6
Josh Koscheck
12-4
14-4 vs.

7
Matt Hughes
16-5
43-7
vs.

8
Mike Swick
9-2
14-3
vs.

9
Carlos Condit
1-1
23-5
vs. Paul Daley

10
Paul Daley
1-0
22-8-2
vs. Carlos

[tn94z]

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I am not just making this crap up. There is a reason that Hardy is getting the shot before Kos.

[FUZO]

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First off I dont give a shit about other sites who cares koz deserves it before hardy and everyone knows that.

You turned it into wrestling because that's the only chance Kos has of beating GSP and you know that

everytime you debate stuff you always assume what other people are thinking and thats why your wrong. It always amazes me why people tend to think what other people are thinking and say something dumb like,,"you know that" again I dont know you were god its truly amazing you have that gift that you know what other people are thinking and what they might say. And like always you bail on a subject and stop debating why do you run you shouldnt ever run from anything

[tn94z]

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First off I dont give a shit about other sites who cares koz deserves it before hardy and everyone knows that.



everytime you debate stuff you always assume what other people are thinking and thats why your wrong. It always amazes me why people tend to think what other people are thinking and say something dumb like,,"you know that" again I dont know you were god its truly amazing you have that gift that you know what other people are thinking and what they might say. And like always you bail on a subject and stop debating why do you run you shouldnt ever run from anything

Obviously, everyone doesn't know that he deserves it. How does he jump from being KO'd embarrassingly after talking a ton of trash, to winning one fight and deserving a shot? See, you pick out two or three words to argue about. You are trying to swing the debate into a different direction, because you have nothing else. KOS was a good wrestler back then and is better at that style than GSP..that was your argument...I agree'd with you on that....and now you have nothing else to debate....yet you still keep talking and that is why you have to pick these little things to start up about. It's actually quite funny!

I am not bailing on any debate. I have proved my points with fact and I have proved that what you are saying about is wrong, with quotes to prove and all you can keep saying is that I am GOD....Hey, if you want to call me a god, then go right ahead. I ended the debate because your not making any valid points. I have agree with you that KOS is the better "collegiate style wrestler" from the beginning and yet you are still debating this. It doesn't make sense. It is actually funny because you keep bringing up this wrestling thing in which I agree with you on...

[tn94z]

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I am still waiting for you to prove me wrong from your side....otherwise, there is no debate.

[FUZO]

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Theres always a debate its you that doesnt get the whole debate to begin with. and its you that has walked away from debates before in this forum with me to me thats running away no one should ever run away from anything and now that I said that you come back with more after you said you were done with this. See you use words like embarassed I say gsp was embarassed by sera so koz lost and at the time gsp lost to a lesser of a fighter and your point is what by saying koz got embarassed so did your guy gsp. I did prove you wrong you finaly admitted koz is a better wrestler and that was my point from the beginning something you just couldnt accept until later in the thread. so are you gonna keep this going or say again i'm done with this like you have done before or try and assume something again like you have done before just like now

See, you pick out two or three words to argue about. You are trying to swing the debate into a different direction, because you have nothing else

[tn94z]

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Theres always a debate its you that doesnt get the whole debate to begin with. and its you that has walked away from debates before in this forum with me to me thats running away no one should ever run away from anything and now that I said that you come back with more after you said you were done with this. See you use words like embarassed I say gsp was embarassed by sera so koz lost and at the time gsp lost to a lesser of a fighter and your point is what by saying koz got embarassed so did your guy gsp. I did prove you wrong you finaly admitted koz is a better wrestler and that was my point from the beginning something you just couldnt accept until later in the thread. so are you gonna keep this going or say again i'm done with this like you have done before or try and assume something again like you have done before just like now

I agree GSP was embarrassed. And KOS also lost to a lesser fighter. I have not run away from debates until I made my points and the others could not make any new points. What's the point in saying the same things over and over. You didn't prove anything man...I have said from the beginning that Kos is the better "collegiate style" wrestler. But GSP uses his wrestling better in MMA....that has been proven and said by everyone.

You act like you have been debating me on this but I agreed with this from the beginning. That's what's so ridiculous! I only quit debating when I have worn out my opponent.